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There was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.
So people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.
Edit: NYS, not NYC
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated"
] |
>
Yeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs.
We need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day.
I’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue.
The money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system.
It’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC"
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Sure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing.
NYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally.
I also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border."
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MV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids."
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It’s still a lot More than my community and yours
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people."
] |
>
And? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have.
Just elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.
|
[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours"
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>
I don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you."
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>
I’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them."
] |
>
The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment."
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You seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago."
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How am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law."
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Does this include extending city services or not?
Absolutely not for sanctuary cities.
Please read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes."
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The right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation."
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The right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.
Congrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as
"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?"
A: not, duh.
"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. "
As stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.
The dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about "virtue signaling" and "typical liberals" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.
Good job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard."
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Usually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change."
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I remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is."
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I am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it"
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So who exactly is smart about the border?
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border."
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Well the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.
Not only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.
Texas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?"
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I mean it's New York. It's packed already.
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died."
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Why the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already."
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You say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: "What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems"
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I just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too."
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Or another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container."
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That can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?"
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I really don't understand these comments.
Just because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward."
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Oh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!
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[
"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them..."
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I mean NYC probably really don't have room.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!"
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Not gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room."
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No city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️"
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We can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate."
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Trump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed."
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Please name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?"
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February 2, 2021 NYP. "Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.
Prior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to "better manage our borders". That's working out pretty well.
Ultimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office."
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So nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso..."
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Can't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested"
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I mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy."
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Who has time for nuance? Not my country!!
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?"
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All these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!"
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It's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need.
But nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea."
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And you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do.
But nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities
Buddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities."
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Big portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.
Besides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man."
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Besides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.
You'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job."
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My guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not."
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Didn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…"
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They did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?"
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Nobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.”
You said the important part unwittingly:
the big cities
Yeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years.
Many are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic.
So again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants.
The issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants.
So yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.
Nobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations.
Ignoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do.
But the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans.
Democrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down.
Republicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime.
In fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route.
Not only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency.
Why was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.
So there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder.
Building a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety.
The only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate.
This all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform.
Every time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.”
Nope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.”
So if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites."
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Guess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing."
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I mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue."
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states."
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?"
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I mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?"
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I'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything
why is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?
Until the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.
If you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time."
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The cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on."
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It was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.
Perhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough."
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I dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.
So every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.
I personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in."
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Let’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship."
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What this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.
Easy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets."
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Kind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!"
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It’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants."
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It’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old."
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Illegal ones? I dont think so.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants."
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Enslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so."
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So all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me."
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As shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants."
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Hey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.
Crime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…
So basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure"
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I’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming)."
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Exactly! /s
Obviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.
I’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!"
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If you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.
Also, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true."
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Good points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way"
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Why does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off "city" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong."
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate."
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived."
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ..."
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As an immigrant is pretty stupid to choose an expense, overpopulated and harshly place to get a job with a decent payment if your plan is "growth" in this country hence try to move out and make your papers legally in places where you're actually going to be needed like farms or small towns
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ...",
">\n\nFuck NYC come to the sticks"
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Major cities have weird dynamics. Yeah, for an average person who wants to move there for work or because they want to live in a major city they'll be overwhelmed by rent. But lower income people seem to make it work. Undocumented immigrants may not have access to HUD money or affordable housing, but they'll just cram themselves in with a lot of people in a house or apartment to make it work -- and that apartment might be subsidized too if at least one person is documented.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ...",
">\n\nFuck NYC come to the sticks",
">\n\nAs an immigrant is pretty stupid to choose an expense, overpopulated and harshly place to get a job with a decent payment if your plan is \"growth\" in this country hence try to move out and make your papers legally in places where you're actually going to be needed like farms or small towns"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ...",
">\n\nFuck NYC come to the sticks",
">\n\nAs an immigrant is pretty stupid to choose an expense, overpopulated and harshly place to get a job with a decent payment if your plan is \"growth\" in this country hence try to move out and make your papers legally in places where you're actually going to be needed like farms or small towns",
">\n\nMajor cities have weird dynamics. Yeah, for an average person who wants to move there for work or because they want to live in a major city they'll be overwhelmed by rent. But lower income people seem to make it work. Undocumented immigrants may not have access to HUD money or affordable housing, but they'll just cram themselves in with a lot of people in a house or apartment to make it work -- and that apartment might be subsidized too if at least one person is documented."
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NYC is anyway.
In the meantime, there are still vast stretches of nothing in rural Georgia, but nobody wants to live there. Not even the locals.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ...",
">\n\nFuck NYC come to the sticks",
">\n\nAs an immigrant is pretty stupid to choose an expense, overpopulated and harshly place to get a job with a decent payment if your plan is \"growth\" in this country hence try to move out and make your papers legally in places where you're actually going to be needed like farms or small towns",
">\n\nMajor cities have weird dynamics. Yeah, for an average person who wants to move there for work or because they want to live in a major city they'll be overwhelmed by rent. But lower income people seem to make it work. Undocumented immigrants may not have access to HUD money or affordable housing, but they'll just cram themselves in with a lot of people in a house or apartment to make it work -- and that apartment might be subsidized too if at least one person is documented.",
">\n\nSo america IS full."
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ...",
">\n\nFuck NYC come to the sticks",
">\n\nAs an immigrant is pretty stupid to choose an expense, overpopulated and harshly place to get a job with a decent payment if your plan is \"growth\" in this country hence try to move out and make your papers legally in places where you're actually going to be needed like farms or small towns",
">\n\nMajor cities have weird dynamics. Yeah, for an average person who wants to move there for work or because they want to live in a major city they'll be overwhelmed by rent. But lower income people seem to make it work. Undocumented immigrants may not have access to HUD money or affordable housing, but they'll just cram themselves in with a lot of people in a house or apartment to make it work -- and that apartment might be subsidized too if at least one person is documented.",
">\n\nSo america IS full.",
">\n\nNYC is anyway.\nIn the meantime, there are still vast stretches of nothing in rural Georgia, but nobody wants to live there. Not even the locals."
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Call me crazy but maybe we need to address the problem of why so many are immigrating in the first place.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ...",
">\n\nFuck NYC come to the sticks",
">\n\nAs an immigrant is pretty stupid to choose an expense, overpopulated and harshly place to get a job with a decent payment if your plan is \"growth\" in this country hence try to move out and make your papers legally in places where you're actually going to be needed like farms or small towns",
">\n\nMajor cities have weird dynamics. Yeah, for an average person who wants to move there for work or because they want to live in a major city they'll be overwhelmed by rent. But lower income people seem to make it work. Undocumented immigrants may not have access to HUD money or affordable housing, but they'll just cram themselves in with a lot of people in a house or apartment to make it work -- and that apartment might be subsidized too if at least one person is documented.",
">\n\nSo america IS full.",
">\n\nNYC is anyway.\nIn the meantime, there are still vast stretches of nothing in rural Georgia, but nobody wants to live there. Not even the locals.",
">\n\nEric Adams is a fascist."
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Yeah imagine being a Texan where your schools have taken a huge step back and all other city/county resources are being drained with the flood of millions of immigrants over the past decade. Now image a city with 20 million people complaining when a few thousand come. I hope we send another 50k their way.
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ...",
">\n\nFuck NYC come to the sticks",
">\n\nAs an immigrant is pretty stupid to choose an expense, overpopulated and harshly place to get a job with a decent payment if your plan is \"growth\" in this country hence try to move out and make your papers legally in places where you're actually going to be needed like farms or small towns",
">\n\nMajor cities have weird dynamics. Yeah, for an average person who wants to move there for work or because they want to live in a major city they'll be overwhelmed by rent. But lower income people seem to make it work. Undocumented immigrants may not have access to HUD money or affordable housing, but they'll just cram themselves in with a lot of people in a house or apartment to make it work -- and that apartment might be subsidized too if at least one person is documented.",
">\n\nSo america IS full.",
">\n\nNYC is anyway.\nIn the meantime, there are still vast stretches of nothing in rural Georgia, but nobody wants to live there. Not even the locals.",
">\n\nEric Adams is a fascist.",
">\n\nCall me crazy but maybe we need to address the problem of why so many are immigrating in the first place."
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He didn't say he wasn't accepting new migrants, though. And according to people below, they REALLY are lacking space.
He may as well had said, "Want to come in? Ready the lube and huddle up, 'cuz we're tight as SHIT."
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ...",
">\n\nFuck NYC come to the sticks",
">\n\nAs an immigrant is pretty stupid to choose an expense, overpopulated and harshly place to get a job with a decent payment if your plan is \"growth\" in this country hence try to move out and make your papers legally in places where you're actually going to be needed like farms or small towns",
">\n\nMajor cities have weird dynamics. Yeah, for an average person who wants to move there for work or because they want to live in a major city they'll be overwhelmed by rent. But lower income people seem to make it work. Undocumented immigrants may not have access to HUD money or affordable housing, but they'll just cram themselves in with a lot of people in a house or apartment to make it work -- and that apartment might be subsidized too if at least one person is documented.",
">\n\nSo america IS full.",
">\n\nNYC is anyway.\nIn the meantime, there are still vast stretches of nothing in rural Georgia, but nobody wants to live there. Not even the locals.",
">\n\nEric Adams is a fascist.",
">\n\nCall me crazy but maybe we need to address the problem of why so many are immigrating in the first place.",
">\n\nYeah imagine being a Texan where your schools have taken a huge step back and all other city/county resources are being drained with the flood of millions of immigrants over the past decade. Now image a city with 20 million people complaining when a few thousand come. I hope we send another 50k their way."
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ...",
">\n\nFuck NYC come to the sticks",
">\n\nAs an immigrant is pretty stupid to choose an expense, overpopulated and harshly place to get a job with a decent payment if your plan is \"growth\" in this country hence try to move out and make your papers legally in places where you're actually going to be needed like farms or small towns",
">\n\nMajor cities have weird dynamics. Yeah, for an average person who wants to move there for work or because they want to live in a major city they'll be overwhelmed by rent. But lower income people seem to make it work. Undocumented immigrants may not have access to HUD money or affordable housing, but they'll just cram themselves in with a lot of people in a house or apartment to make it work -- and that apartment might be subsidized too if at least one person is documented.",
">\n\nSo america IS full.",
">\n\nNYC is anyway.\nIn the meantime, there are still vast stretches of nothing in rural Georgia, but nobody wants to live there. Not even the locals.",
">\n\nEric Adams is a fascist.",
">\n\nCall me crazy but maybe we need to address the problem of why so many are immigrating in the first place.",
">\n\nYeah imagine being a Texan where your schools have taken a huge step back and all other city/county resources are being drained with the flood of millions of immigrants over the past decade. Now image a city with 20 million people complaining when a few thousand come. I hope we send another 50k their way.",
">\n\nHe didn't say he wasn't accepting new migrants, though. And according to people below, they REALLY are lacking space.\nHe may as well had said, \"Want to come in? Ready the lube and huddle up, 'cuz we're tight as SHIT.\""
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No shit, this isn’t surprising at all, whatsoever.
There’s a major difference between people being sent to the mayor directly, while the world watches and expects you to take care of them, than the same number of undocumented arriving and finding their own way, like “secretly”, without forcing the mayor to help. Undocumented people find American employers to hire them under the table (which the mayor won’t do) so they get paid, and they probably take any old housing that will do to survive right away (which the mayor won’t do).
Let’s not forget, this is nothing more than a stunt, and not an accurate depiction of real illegal immigration
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ...",
">\n\nFuck NYC come to the sticks",
">\n\nAs an immigrant is pretty stupid to choose an expense, overpopulated and harshly place to get a job with a decent payment if your plan is \"growth\" in this country hence try to move out and make your papers legally in places where you're actually going to be needed like farms or small towns",
">\n\nMajor cities have weird dynamics. Yeah, for an average person who wants to move there for work or because they want to live in a major city they'll be overwhelmed by rent. But lower income people seem to make it work. Undocumented immigrants may not have access to HUD money or affordable housing, but they'll just cram themselves in with a lot of people in a house or apartment to make it work -- and that apartment might be subsidized too if at least one person is documented.",
">\n\nSo america IS full.",
">\n\nNYC is anyway.\nIn the meantime, there are still vast stretches of nothing in rural Georgia, but nobody wants to live there. Not even the locals.",
">\n\nEric Adams is a fascist.",
">\n\nCall me crazy but maybe we need to address the problem of why so many are immigrating in the first place.",
">\n\nYeah imagine being a Texan where your schools have taken a huge step back and all other city/county resources are being drained with the flood of millions of immigrants over the past decade. Now image a city with 20 million people complaining when a few thousand come. I hope we send another 50k their way.",
">\n\nHe didn't say he wasn't accepting new migrants, though. And according to people below, they REALLY are lacking space.\nHe may as well had said, \"Want to come in? Ready the lube and huddle up, 'cuz we're tight as SHIT.\"",
">\n\nThere is a difference between saying “we don’t have room” and putting policies in place that actively hurt (or help) immigrants."
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ...",
">\n\nFuck NYC come to the sticks",
">\n\nAs an immigrant is pretty stupid to choose an expense, overpopulated and harshly place to get a job with a decent payment if your plan is \"growth\" in this country hence try to move out and make your papers legally in places where you're actually going to be needed like farms or small towns",
">\n\nMajor cities have weird dynamics. Yeah, for an average person who wants to move there for work or because they want to live in a major city they'll be overwhelmed by rent. But lower income people seem to make it work. Undocumented immigrants may not have access to HUD money or affordable housing, but they'll just cram themselves in with a lot of people in a house or apartment to make it work -- and that apartment might be subsidized too if at least one person is documented.",
">\n\nSo america IS full.",
">\n\nNYC is anyway.\nIn the meantime, there are still vast stretches of nothing in rural Georgia, but nobody wants to live there. Not even the locals.",
">\n\nEric Adams is a fascist.",
">\n\nCall me crazy but maybe we need to address the problem of why so many are immigrating in the first place.",
">\n\nYeah imagine being a Texan where your schools have taken a huge step back and all other city/county resources are being drained with the flood of millions of immigrants over the past decade. Now image a city with 20 million people complaining when a few thousand come. I hope we send another 50k their way.",
">\n\nHe didn't say he wasn't accepting new migrants, though. And according to people below, they REALLY are lacking space.\nHe may as well had said, \"Want to come in? Ready the lube and huddle up, 'cuz we're tight as SHIT.\"",
">\n\nThere is a difference between saying “we don’t have room” and putting policies in place that actively hurt (or help) immigrants.",
">\n\nNo shit, this isn’t surprising at all, whatsoever. \nThere’s a major difference between people being sent to the mayor directly, while the world watches and expects you to take care of them, than the same number of undocumented arriving and finding their own way, like “secretly”, without forcing the mayor to help. Undocumented people find American employers to hire them under the table (which the mayor won’t do) so they get paid, and they probably take any old housing that will do to survive right away (which the mayor won’t do). \nLet’s not forget, this is nothing more than a stunt, and not an accurate depiction of real illegal immigration"
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ...",
">\n\nFuck NYC come to the sticks",
">\n\nAs an immigrant is pretty stupid to choose an expense, overpopulated and harshly place to get a job with a decent payment if your plan is \"growth\" in this country hence try to move out and make your papers legally in places where you're actually going to be needed like farms or small towns",
">\n\nMajor cities have weird dynamics. Yeah, for an average person who wants to move there for work or because they want to live in a major city they'll be overwhelmed by rent. But lower income people seem to make it work. Undocumented immigrants may not have access to HUD money or affordable housing, but they'll just cram themselves in with a lot of people in a house or apartment to make it work -- and that apartment might be subsidized too if at least one person is documented.",
">\n\nSo america IS full.",
">\n\nNYC is anyway.\nIn the meantime, there are still vast stretches of nothing in rural Georgia, but nobody wants to live there. Not even the locals.",
">\n\nEric Adams is a fascist.",
">\n\nCall me crazy but maybe we need to address the problem of why so many are immigrating in the first place.",
">\n\nYeah imagine being a Texan where your schools have taken a huge step back and all other city/county resources are being drained with the flood of millions of immigrants over the past decade. Now image a city with 20 million people complaining when a few thousand come. I hope we send another 50k their way.",
">\n\nHe didn't say he wasn't accepting new migrants, though. And according to people below, they REALLY are lacking space.\nHe may as well had said, \"Want to come in? Ready the lube and huddle up, 'cuz we're tight as SHIT.\"",
">\n\nThere is a difference between saying “we don’t have room” and putting policies in place that actively hurt (or help) immigrants.",
">\n\nNo shit, this isn’t surprising at all, whatsoever. \nThere’s a major difference between people being sent to the mayor directly, while the world watches and expects you to take care of them, than the same number of undocumented arriving and finding their own way, like “secretly”, without forcing the mayor to help. Undocumented people find American employers to hire them under the table (which the mayor won’t do) so they get paid, and they probably take any old housing that will do to survive right away (which the mayor won’t do). \nLet’s not forget, this is nothing more than a stunt, and not an accurate depiction of real illegal immigration",
">\n\nI fucking hate this jackass Jersey cop."
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Agree but how in the fuck did we end up with a choice between Biden or Trump in '20? Those are the two best potential leaders we could come up with out of 350 million people?
Would you like a shit sandwich, or just some bread with a side of shit?
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"But he has plenty of room in his residence for rats 🐀",
">\n\nAnd El Paso has tons! I actually think it’s a good thing there are so many migrants that they can’t all stay in Texas anymore. Those border towns are being bled dry of resources. Education, healthcare, food banks. I want to help these peope, but border cities are some of the poorest cities in the USA, we all have to take our share. \nWith the afghani refugees, the administration distributed them across the USA so the burden and blessing of having these new refugees was shared and there should be a similar program for those from south and Central America.",
">\n\nThe federal government sends Texas billions of dollars every year for migrants. If border towns aren't seeing that money then that is the fault of the Texas state government not distributing it properly. If the migrants are going to be distributed then that money should go to whatever state they are going. Sending them without the associated money and coordination, that other states gave to Texas, is just a political stunt exploiting vulnerable people, not an honest solution to the problem.",
">\n\nAnd how much do they cost the taxpayer? I’m certain Texas would trade any funding in place of stopping the intentional, unconstitutional border policy.",
">\n\nUnconstitutional? Where in the Constitution is … what, exactly, that’s being violated?",
">\n\nUnconstitutional is just a term thrown around these days with no base in reality.",
">\n\nI mean, I know he’s just a parrot, squawking out whatever he heard someone else say, but there’s always the remote chance he’d try to find an answer to the question and realize what a moron he’s been.",
">\n\nYou're a kinder soul than me",
">\n\nThere’s an old saying, the way to destroy an enemy is make them a friend.\nDo not underestimate the viciousness with which I seek to destroy ignorance.",
">\n\nExcerpt:\n\nThe mayor of New York traveled to the Mexican border city of El Paso on Sunday and declared that \"there is no room in New York\" for busloads of migrants being sent to America's most populous city.\nThe visit of a New York mayor to a southern border city about the issue of immigrants is unprecedented.\n\n15 Jan. 2023.",
">\n\nI feel for him. This is a federal level issue. NYC can’t just defy federal law and put these immigrants on payrolls, since they entered the US illegally and do not have work authorization. The options you have left are to send them elsewhere where they might be treated worse while you are called a hypocrite, or to house and care for them indefinitely with plenty of other city issues fighting for a piece of the budget. As much as I hate the tactic, bussing them over to liberal backyards has been a brilliant move that forces the immigration issue to the national spotlight.\nVast majority of the people who come to United States just want to make a living and have a future for themselves, and/or those back in their home country. And I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons. It won’t be easy and it will be controversial, but it’s time to change the policy and find a way to put immigrants to work, so they are protected and not exploited by unscrupulous businessmen like they are right now.",
">\n\n\nAnd I always see posts and news that we have a labor shortage, with plenty of available jobs that our citizens and legal workers are simply not taking for whatever reasons.\n\n\"Labor shortage\" is corporatese for \"we have to pay our employees more.\" The \"whatever reasons\" is because the jobs aren't paying enough that anybody would want them. The solution is higher wages, not importing an underclass of desperate foreigners who will work for pennies.",
">\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\nPoor pay and poor management is main reason why people quit. As they say, people quit bosses, not jobs.",
">\n\n\nWell paying jobs usually don't have labor shortages. Unless there is poor management.\n\nYes they do. There is currently a pilot shortage. It’s getting worse. \nThis is part of the reason you are seeing airlines crippled in their ability to handle sudden weather events. \nThey’re hiring everyone they can. The US Government has recently added commercial pilots to the short list of trades/occupations which can get unsponsored, expedited green cards.",
">\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution",
">\n\n\nWant more pilots? Pay them more money. There. Easy solution\n\nIt seems simple. But it isn’t. Pay is not the issue. In fact, it doesn’t even come up as a top issue in negotiations. \nFedEx last winter paid a pilot retention bonus of $100k just for Christmas. And many still retired. \nThere is a hard reality of: the glut of baby boomer, post Cold War airline drivers retiring (the “all at once”phenomenon) and not enough pilots to replace them, combined with a rapidly (other than Covid) growing industry. \nYou could pay the pilot $1mm but once they age out or fail medical, they’re done.",
">\n\nI’m not buying it. Want pilots, recruit them, pay them. There’s plenty of people to do the job.",
">\n\nYou'll want to note that pilot joins doctor on the list \"fields of work society needs and yet has made it prohibitively expensive to enter\". Flight school is NOT cheap",
">\n\nPoint made. Thanks. They want pilots, pay to train them.",
">\n\nGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, but, like, not right now, okay?",
">\n\n\"Give me your money, your money, and get the fuck away from me\" - updated",
">\n\nThere was a 237% increase in people leaving NY State in 2020 alone. In 2022 they had a net loss (not a total like the first sentence) of 180,000 people.\nSo people are indeed leaving the state at record numbers.\nEdit: NYS, not NYC",
">\n\nYeah but no migrant is set up to be able to work let alone live in NYC. Most of those that left NYC were of upper class with apartments that would not be affordable for a migrant. Most of those people left the city and immediately went and bought a multi million dollar house in the suburbs. \nWe need to be realistic as a society. We are not set up to let 1500 migrants across our border every day. \nI’m getting so tired of democrats pretending like this whole thing is a non issue. \nThe money these people make isn’t taxed because it’s all under the table, it doesn’t go back into the system because they send 75% of it out side of the country and none of them have any plan of becoming legal and paying into the system. \nIt’s a major problem and it won’t go away anytime soon. This isn’t an economic issue. It’s a Warzone in 75% of the lands south of the American border.",
">\n\nSure, but in border towns in the south. The housing at the lowest rung is where there’s already so much stress. They have far fewer resources than NYC. And not more housing. \nNYC might not be the right place, but the border towns can’t house and employ and feed 2 million migrants a year. The government needs to distribute them to all states equally. \nI also think it’s disgusting that in areas like Martha’s Vineyard and nyc where there’s a worker shortage and tons of vacant homes owned by billionaires that they think the migrants should be sent to the resource poorest sections of the country. It’s prime NIMBY, so many think they’re progressive as long as they can own 2 homes they think it’s someone else’s problem. Not migrant kids in schools and neighborhoods with their kids.",
">\n\nMV is not mostly billionaires in the slightest. It’s got it’s own community of normal people.",
">\n\nIt’s still a lot More than my community and yours",
">\n\nAnd? I don’t hate billionaires, it’s a stupid position to have. \nJust elect normal people that have your back as an average person as your representatives. That’s how you fix income inequality. Not by bitching about someone with more money than you.",
">\n\nI don’t hate billionaires either. But Texas shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the migrant crisis. Federal dollars that are given them aren’t to scale for what’s happening now and they don’t get to choose how to spend them.",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted, but the big issue is that it’s costing NYC $2 billion to house all of the incoming migrants. It’s a real issue of where the money is going to come from when NYC is already in a big money hole from loss of taxes because of the pandemic and wealthier residents moving out. NYC post pandemic has a very real homelessness and mental health crisis at the moment.",
">\n\nThe big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. Now they see what that looks like and want no part of it. We need legitimate immigration reform that should have happened decades ago.",
">\n\nYou seem to confuse the issue of sanctuary cities with NYC's right to shelter law.",
">\n\nHow am I confusing them? NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City. A place where all migrants are welcome. Does this include extending city services or not? It’s easy to say you are for something if there is no cost to you, but when you have to pay for it, like many border cities have for decades it costs more than empty platitudes.",
">\n\n\nDoes this include extending city services or not?\n\nAbsolutely not for sanctuary cities.\nPlease read more and learn the difference before spouting misinformation.",
">\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws. Are you for protecting immigrants from deportation just to watch them freeze to death on the NYC sidewalks? You sound like a typical liberal, virtue signaling these people need help as long as it’s not in your backyard.",
">\n\n\nThe right to shelter laws offers shelter to unhoused individuals in the city. Sanctuary cities protect individuals from federal immigration laws.\n\nCongrats, you finally googled it and learned something. So now you understand the stupidity of your prior statements such as\n\n\"NYC has long virtue signaled has being a Sanctuary City...Does this include extending city services or not?\"\n\nA: not, duh.\n\n\"The big issue is that border cities like El Paso bear an outsized portion of the cost of providing services to these migrants. Liberal places like NYC and Martha’s Vineyard have long touted being a sanctuary cities. \"\n\nAs stated, you seem to confuse being sanctuary cities with right to shelter laws that require NYC to provide housing services.\nThe dog whistling to fellow deplorables with idiotic platitudes about \"virtue signaling\" and \"typical liberals\" is a bonus nice touch. I used to watch Limbaugh and read National Review, dumbass. If there's a thing I disdain more, it's dog-whistling deplorables even over left wing progressives any day of the week.\nGood job kid, you are welcome for helping you learn something for a change.",
">\n\nUsually people who don't live near the border have no dam clue how bad this problem is.",
">\n\nI remember when you could live in Mexico and commute across to your job lol…they made a problem and never dealt with it",
">\n\nI am independent but tilt to the left, but liberals and dems are just completely stupid when it comes to the border. I also work along the border.",
">\n\nSo who exactly is smart about the border?",
">\n\nWell the Republicans in Arizona built a wall out of shipping containers.\nNot only was is super expensive for a wall made out of shipping containers, but you could ultimate still go under, over, or around it.\n\nTexas did the opposite by employing the national guard....many of which were placed in poor living conditions, ill equipped, underpaid/paid late, or even died.",
">\n\nI mean it's New York. It's packed already.",
">\n\nWhy the hell are people against fixing the illegal immigration problem in the US? The current system is the cause of so many problems",
">\n\nYou say this, they'll assume that you're talking about Latin American immigrants and immediately shout back: \"What about the millions of undocumented immigrants from the around the world who just overstayed their VISAs?\" Uh.... yeah, if they're in violation of immigration law, they need to get out too.",
">\n\nI just want to make a sweet work visa program so people have other options than being smuggled across the border in an un-air conditioned shipping container.",
">\n\nOr another option would be to not move here unless you're approved...?",
">\n\nThat can literally take ten years and doesn't guarantee the passage of any of your family members. I am not saying illegal immigration is the solution but we need to give people a viable path forward.",
">\n\nI really don't understand these comments.\nJust because the continent was built by immigrants doesn't mean cities have infrastructure for them...",
">\n\nOh, gee, former NY cop says dumb shit. I’m shocked. More important: the states are attacking each other with through passive aggressive, callous, inhumane manipulation of suffering human beings. Glad to see America’s doing fine!",
">\n\nI mean NYC probably really don't have room.",
">\n\nNot gonna lie, we really don’t got space lol. Rent is absurdly high and public office doesn’t acknowledge the homeless and mental issues in the city BUT we want to build a billion dollar stadium in Buffalo instead of creating more housing 🤦🏾♂️",
">\n\nNo city/town has space. That's the point. The cities and small towns on the border are being overrun. The current administration is to blame here. Biden is going nothing to help the border states and they are desperate.",
">\n\nWe can’t just blame Biden’s admin since trump also caused a lot of push back. I’m racy, republicans still apply push back as we speak. If we can concentrate as much brain power towards actual issues rather than bicker amongst ourselves, we could get a lot done instead our government is ran by lobbyists and greedy old men who don’t care about the future just about their own personal interest. (Old gags too but it’s mainly old men in office). A lot of nepotism and greed.",
">\n\nTrump caused a lot of push back to what? If I never hear his name again that'd be just fine, but he was pretty focused on stopping illegal immigration. Biden reversed policies because fuck Trump and has done nothing to slow the flow. What of Trump's actions on immigration are you pointing at?",
">\n\nPlease name these policies that were reversed. Immigration policies are mostly unchanged from when Trump was in office.",
">\n\nFebruary 2, 2021 NYP. \"Biden signs 3 executive orders reversing Trump on immigration\". It was a pretty easy Google. Try it.\nPrior to that, he signed an order halting construction on the border wall. He said this was to \"better manage our borders\". That's working out pretty well.\nUltimately, now we have NYC saying they don't have room for immigrants. Imagine how bad it would be if they were 2,000 miles closer to the border like El Paso...",
">\n\nSo nothing? Did you actually read what those changes were? They did not change anything besides stopping the wall. Any sane president would have put a stop to the wall. That was just a scam and proved useless. So many better ways have been suggested",
">\n\nCan't help ya, man. You win the interweb argument trophy.",
">\n\nI mean he's not wrong. There isn't any affordable housing for the folks already there. Why add more people?",
">\n\nWho has time for nuance? Not my country!!",
">\n\nAll these youngins on Reddit really be thinkin pure open borders is a good idea.",
">\n\nIt's almost as if we could use more people to manufacture goods and work in factories and build our roads and build the housing we desperately need. \nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities.",
">\n\nAnd you're gonna guarantee that immigrants fill those positions? What about all the homeless people already living in America? People don't just do what you think they should do. \n\nBut nah. Keep injecting that nationalism that Fox is feeding you, right into those veins. Hate feels good, don't it? Now be a good little Christian and keep oppressing those minorities\n\nBuddy you really got the wrong idea about me but I know better to than to justify myself to or have conversations with people who would make jump to extreme conclusions based off of 1 and a half sentences. Have a good day man.",
">\n\nBig portion of those homeless people need medical and/or mental health care first. But no way there will be a consensus on how to provide that to them.\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.",
">\n\n\nBesides it’s an employee market at the moment, if you want to have a job you can have a job.\n\nYou'd think but the hiring processes are still bullshit and a lot of people don't even I.Ds since they don't have an address.. they still wanna drug test for weed at a lot of places. And like you said about the mental health.. you think them immigrants are in better condition? People are fucked man, no matter where they come from and it doesn't make you a better person pretending that they're not.",
">\n\nMy guy, Eric Adams was not the mayor in 2017. That’s the official “Mayor of NYC” account…",
">\n\nDidn't a shitload of people move out of the city during the pandemic?",
">\n\nThey did, which makes this all the more hilarious. The big cities shout at border states for not having enough resources to take in migrants, but then get mad when the migrants get sent their way. Hypocrites.",
">\n\nNobody gets mad when migrants are sent “their way.” \nYou said the important part unwittingly: \n\nthe big cities \n\nYeah, they’re big. Many of them are fucking huge. You don’t get to the population numbers of NYC, LA, or Chicago without accepting a shit load of people over years. \nMany are native born to those cities. Some are “immigrants” from other states within the US. But a fuck load of the population of major cities is foreign immigrants. From all over the world. In the case of NYC and LA, literally all over the world. Queens is the most diverse linguistic habitat on the planet. LA is something like 52% Hispanic. \nSo again, you don’t have massive population growth over decades and such huge numbers of foreign born residents without accepting a fuck load of foreign immigrants. \nThe issue is that the dispersion is, in fact, not equitable. Just NYC and LA combined have a bigger population that I’d guess the great majority of US states. Add in Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, etc. and you have a fuck load of people smashed into very finite spaces. Rents are rising, home prices are rising, wages are stagnating — because population growth has been so huge, in at least some part due to accepting immigrants. \nSo yeah, at a certain point, you actually do run out of room no matter how much you want to help — and have helped. Especially when there are so many dying communities across the country, with collapsing populations and low birth rates and a lack of working age adults. All of whom could benefit from an influx of new people.\nNobody expects the few border states to deal with this on their own. But a reasonable expectation is for new immigrants to be spread more evenly across more locations. \nIgnoring all of this, let’s just look at the broader issue of immigration. Most people agree it’s a problem. I do. \nBut the bigger problem is that any change has been completely and utterly stymied by republicans. \nDemocrats propose immigration reform? Republicans shut it down. \nRepublicans control the presidency, senate, and congress, with carte blanch power to do whatever they want in regard to immigration? They literally have not made a single proposal in my lifetime. \nIn fact, the last time Republicans controlled power, they defunded USCIS, effectively killing any legal pathway to citizenship, which doubly ensures that people will take the illegal route. \nNot only is this easily searchable information, I experienced it first hand while naturalizing my wife. It was a nightmare. A fucking nightmare. And she had one of the easiest pathways to legal residency. \nWhy was it a nightmare? Every worker I spoke to said that they were overwhelmed because of Trump administration cuts to services, staff, and resources. Legal avenue wait times had reached something like 20 years.\nSo there you have the republicans leading the way toward making legal immigration…that much fucking harder. \nBuilding a container wall is so fucking dumb it hurts. It doesn’t work. It won’t work. That’s not a policy. It’s not even a rational idea. A wall or a moat or an obstacle course isn’t going to prevent desperate people from seeking safety. \nThe only thing that will prevent desperate people from flooding the border illegally is to provide gainful legal options to immigrate. \nThis all coming from someone who fully recognizes that immigration is an issue and the only sensible solution to the issue is to pass sweeping immigration reform. \nEvery time republicans take power, I think, “Ok, this time surely!they will finally do something about it. It’s all they fucking talk about outside of guns and gays.” \nNope. Nothing. Literally not even a single policy idea written down to vote on outside of “build the wall.” \nSo if republicans are the all seeing geniuses on this issue who know how to lead, then they’d better shit or get off the pot. And by get off the pot, I mean finally vote in favor of one of the several immigration policy reform bills that democrats have proposed. Because whatever policy they’ve written is guaranteed to be light years better than nothing.",
">\n\nGuess being a sanctuary city bit them in the ass when they had to realize the cost of being a sanctuary city. Maybe now they understand the challenges that the southern border states face every day",
">\n\nI mean a sanctuary city just means they won’t help the feds deport people. It seems as if Texas is a better place land-wise than a small island in the middle of two rivers if space is the issue.",
">\n\nWelcome to the reality of the border states.",
">\n\nIdk man Texas is fucking huge",
">\n\nYeah it's like they need houses or infrastructure",
">\n\nYeah my bad you're right Texas can't develop infrastructure for shit",
">\n\nI don't think anywhere can instantly create infrastructure",
">\n\nIsnt NYC a city built by migrants?",
">\n\nIsn’t US built by migrants?",
">\n\nI mean you can say that about most countries. Just go far back enough in time.",
">\n\nI'm gonna ask a question and please understand I am not advocating for anything\nwhy is it a bad thing to bus these folks to other places? Leaving them in Texas or wherever they came in, just leaves them in a crowd of other people with no services at all. They have overwhelmed the locals already. So taking them someplace not in the massive crowd is some how evil? You should leave them piled up in one spot suffering?\nUntil the president actually gets forced to address the issue, this will keep going on. They removed the crowd of migrants for Biden's visit last week, he was shown clean empty sidewalks not the crowd that was sleeping on them the week before. All this does is perpetuate the suffering of the people wanting in and being preyed on by others looking to make a dollar on their suffering.\nIf you live in America, you should be DEMANDING action from the President. quit giving that geriatric old fuck the benefit of the doubt, he has been in one government office or another for FIVE DECADES, he knows what is going on.",
">\n\nThe cities in Texas can’t handle the influx of people either, that’s why they’re bussing people out. No one is helping with the problem, and while this seems over the top it’s actually just a half brained idea to try to lessen the burden of Texas. The money we get to deal with this is not enough.",
">\n\nIt was a political stunt, and while I don’t agree with the manner it was done, the point being made is being made quite well.\nPerhaps large, liberal cities should stop wagging their fingers at Southwestern border states for how they manage the national problem that is our rather porous border if they have no plans to chip in.",
">\n\nI dont mind them shipping them wherever. But since these are people they should have the same level of housing, medical, food, court system, and homeland security everywhere.\nSo every state needs the 3 billion texas gets for this, plus an emergency infusion of 10 billion to build this at the speed it needs to be at to treat people as humanily as we do in texas.\nI personally dont want to spend upwards of 100 billion annually because we can stealth ship immigrants everywhere. So the best options would be to start arresting people or to blanket grant them citizenship.",
">\n\nLet’s frame it this way, the money they get only covers a percentage of the immigrants they get. When they send some of the excess immigrants somewhere else because they don’t have the money, your solution is to cut the funds they have. Yes, they may be getting money for the problem, but it isn’t enough to cover everyone coming through. And there are some issues, like overloading the medical/school system that money isn’t enough to solve. If New York starts taking EVERY SINGLE immigrant that comes across the boarder, then we can give them the funding Texas gets.",
">\n\nWhat this is telling me is that the tactic of sending busloads to democratic run cities is having effect.\nEasy to be a sanctuary city when there's nobody to demand sanctuary, right?",
">\n\nKind of ironic given New York is a Migrant City built by Migrants!!",
">\n\nSounds like there is housing available for all those migrants.",
">\n\nIt’s been generations since. So no, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have to distinguish between new or old.",
">\n\nIt’s still hypocritical. Seeing as the USA is a nation built on immigrants.",
">\n\nIllegal ones? I dont think so.",
">\n\nEnslaved ones, mostly. Kidnapping people and pretending you own them as property sounds pretty illegal to me.",
">\n\nSo all the people that come here through proper channels are enslaved?",
">\n\nAs shitty as cop mayor is, California I believe has more undocumented immigrants than Texas. New York actually has a pretty big population of undocumented immigrants.",
">\n\nProving once again that liberal states do it better than their conservative counterparts",
">\n\nHey do me a favor real quick and look at laws protecting the disabled, mentally challenged, and minorities and while you are at it check the education levels of states.\nCrime, as I’m sure you can imagine, is largely proportional to population. And liberal cities tend to be the largest because, well let’s face it, that’s where all of the educated workers are and liberals tend to be more educated on average than conservatives. But with that influx of skilled workers demands people working less skilled jobs to keep the massive city afloat. Oh and poor people in those cities also tend to be liberal because they realize conservatives are trying to hold them back and progressive ideas are their only chance of getting ahead. Kinda forced into it out of necessity…\nSo basically what I’m getting at is if you are educated and live in a city with a higher population (which tends to also be a diverse population) your chances of being a conservative are very low because well…how could you be?",
">\n\nHell of a sanctuary city",
">\n\nBut they’re fine in the south I’m sure",
">\n\nHypocrites",
">\n\nI’ll probably get downvoted for this but… is he wrong? I recently went to NYC for the first time (I’m from the Midwest), and it seemed very overcrowded with tons of homeless. They don’t seem to have enough room for the people they already have (unlike the Midwest, which has tons of wide open space being used for absolutely nothing, not even farming).",
">\n\nSolution: Drop migrants in the midwestern wilderness. Problem solved!",
">\n\nExactly! /s\nObviously that’s not a realistic solution. However, if we decided as a society to work on a more sustainable solution, we could establish new communities on unused land or expand existing “oasis” communities. That seems more realistic to me than dumping more people into an already grossly overpopulated metropolitan area.\nI’m fully willing to admit that I’m no expert on the topic and that this is not a problem with a solution nearly as simple as the ones I suggested. My ultimate point is that I can’t criticize Adams for saying something that, to the best of my knowledge, seems so demonstrably true.",
">\n\nIf you compare the cost and feasibility of creating new infrastructure in a new (and in this case remote) area versus expanding on what already exists, they aren’t close.\nAlso, the reason few live in these big swaths of open land is there isn’t much for ways of supporting oneself (I.e. jobs) unless you’re going to farm, service the farm, or be a farmhand in some way",
">\n\nGood points, I’m not going to argue with you there. Like I said, I’m not an expert, so I don’t claim to have the answer. My point still stands though; I don’t think Adams is wrong.",
">\n\nWhy does the headline say New York Mayor instead of New York City mayor? There's got to be hundreds of Mayors in New York (State) and by leaving off \"city\" it makes it ambiguous. NYC is NYC, New York is ambiguous, and I'm not even from upstate.",
">\n\n*illegal immigrants.",
">\n\nthere’s not enough room in New York City for its own residents",
">\n\nI'd ask him where his grandparents lived.",
">\n\nnow they understand the crisis ...",
">\n\nFuck NYC come to the sticks",
">\n\nAs an immigrant is pretty stupid to choose an expense, overpopulated and harshly place to get a job with a decent payment if your plan is \"growth\" in this country hence try to move out and make your papers legally in places where you're actually going to be needed like farms or small towns",
">\n\nMajor cities have weird dynamics. Yeah, for an average person who wants to move there for work or because they want to live in a major city they'll be overwhelmed by rent. But lower income people seem to make it work. Undocumented immigrants may not have access to HUD money or affordable housing, but they'll just cram themselves in with a lot of people in a house or apartment to make it work -- and that apartment might be subsidized too if at least one person is documented.",
">\n\nSo america IS full.",
">\n\nNYC is anyway.\nIn the meantime, there are still vast stretches of nothing in rural Georgia, but nobody wants to live there. Not even the locals.",
">\n\nEric Adams is a fascist.",
">\n\nCall me crazy but maybe we need to address the problem of why so many are immigrating in the first place.",
">\n\nYeah imagine being a Texan where your schools have taken a huge step back and all other city/county resources are being drained with the flood of millions of immigrants over the past decade. Now image a city with 20 million people complaining when a few thousand come. I hope we send another 50k their way.",
">\n\nHe didn't say he wasn't accepting new migrants, though. And according to people below, they REALLY are lacking space.\nHe may as well had said, \"Want to come in? Ready the lube and huddle up, 'cuz we're tight as SHIT.\"",
">\n\nThere is a difference between saying “we don’t have room” and putting policies in place that actively hurt (or help) immigrants.",
">\n\nNo shit, this isn’t surprising at all, whatsoever. \nThere’s a major difference between people being sent to the mayor directly, while the world watches and expects you to take care of them, than the same number of undocumented arriving and finding their own way, like “secretly”, without forcing the mayor to help. Undocumented people find American employers to hire them under the table (which the mayor won’t do) so they get paid, and they probably take any old housing that will do to survive right away (which the mayor won’t do). \nLet’s not forget, this is nothing more than a stunt, and not an accurate depiction of real illegal immigration",
">\n\nI fucking hate this jackass Jersey cop.",
">\n\nThis is why we should stop voting for pigs."
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