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I just found one in my dresser. Wtf!
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"Doesn't install confidence in our classified handlings....",
">\n\nNot at the executive branch anyway. This is honestly disgusting and makes you wonder just how wide spread of a problem is this.",
">\n\nBiden had some out and about from his time as a Senator, too. \nIt’s not just the Executive Branch.",
">\n\n🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ \nAnd you know if there's one person doing it there's 100. Makes me weep for the men and women in uniform, and all of our safety. \nOn the same note, politicians are only human.",
">\n\nWelp, time to send the feds out to the Obamas' and to the Bushes' and to the Cheneys' and the Clintons' and to the Gores'...",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nUSAF Veteran here- Had a Security Clearance, though not Top Secret. \nHow in the hell …?",
">\n\nI had a TS/SCI...\nI second that. How in the hell?",
">\n\nDid he age 20 years in the past 3 years or something? I don't remember him looking that haggard",
">\n\nAny of us would age like that if Y'all Qaeda issued a fatwa against us.",
">\n\nI work at a law firm. We got a file from another reaffirm that had tracking chips on it and on every subfolder",
">\n\nWhen the vice president moves out, take the boxes not to their home, but to a filter facility where a filter team from FBI/NAR can go through the material and make sure any classified documents are processed properly. After that the boxes can be delivered to the former VP's home. Same procedure goes for ex-presidents of course.",
">\n\nThis is so fucking funny",
">\n\n\"I am Spartacus\", classified documents edition.",
">\n\nThanks! I started looking around and found some boxes of weird Cointelpro shit about LSD experiments and remote viewing in my Grandpa's shed.",
">\n\nLet's have a gander, eh?",
">\n\nI don't have any, but only because I just declassified them all with my mind.",
">\n\nReaches behind OP's ear: Is this a classified document?!",
">\n\nPut 'em all in the same jail cell /s\nSeriously we need to know what the documents contained. Personnel files or nuclear attack plans makes a difference.",
">\n\nThey make a difference, yes. But both actions are still a violation.",
">\n\nAt this point, maybe they should just release a list of who hasn't taken files home.",
">\n\nThe answer is they all have. The problem is some don't want to give them up.",
">\n\nIs that actually seen as a problem though? I haven’t seen any indictments. Obstruction of Justice, what’s that?!"
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Souvenirs 😂
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"Doesn't install confidence in our classified handlings....",
">\n\nNot at the executive branch anyway. This is honestly disgusting and makes you wonder just how wide spread of a problem is this.",
">\n\nBiden had some out and about from his time as a Senator, too. \nIt’s not just the Executive Branch.",
">\n\n🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ \nAnd you know if there's one person doing it there's 100. Makes me weep for the men and women in uniform, and all of our safety. \nOn the same note, politicians are only human.",
">\n\nWelp, time to send the feds out to the Obamas' and to the Bushes' and to the Cheneys' and the Clintons' and to the Gores'...",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nUSAF Veteran here- Had a Security Clearance, though not Top Secret. \nHow in the hell …?",
">\n\nI had a TS/SCI...\nI second that. How in the hell?",
">\n\nDid he age 20 years in the past 3 years or something? I don't remember him looking that haggard",
">\n\nAny of us would age like that if Y'all Qaeda issued a fatwa against us.",
">\n\nI work at a law firm. We got a file from another reaffirm that had tracking chips on it and on every subfolder",
">\n\nWhen the vice president moves out, take the boxes not to their home, but to a filter facility where a filter team from FBI/NAR can go through the material and make sure any classified documents are processed properly. After that the boxes can be delivered to the former VP's home. Same procedure goes for ex-presidents of course.",
">\n\nThis is so fucking funny",
">\n\n\"I am Spartacus\", classified documents edition.",
">\n\nThanks! I started looking around and found some boxes of weird Cointelpro shit about LSD experiments and remote viewing in my Grandpa's shed.",
">\n\nLet's have a gander, eh?",
">\n\nI don't have any, but only because I just declassified them all with my mind.",
">\n\nReaches behind OP's ear: Is this a classified document?!",
">\n\nPut 'em all in the same jail cell /s\nSeriously we need to know what the documents contained. Personnel files or nuclear attack plans makes a difference.",
">\n\nThey make a difference, yes. But both actions are still a violation.",
">\n\nAt this point, maybe they should just release a list of who hasn't taken files home.",
">\n\nThe answer is they all have. The problem is some don't want to give them up.",
">\n\nIs that actually seen as a problem though? I haven’t seen any indictments. Obstruction of Justice, what’s that?!",
">\n\nI just found one in my dresser. Wtf!"
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I keep my classified documents in my cars glovebox
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"Doesn't install confidence in our classified handlings....",
">\n\nNot at the executive branch anyway. This is honestly disgusting and makes you wonder just how wide spread of a problem is this.",
">\n\nBiden had some out and about from his time as a Senator, too. \nIt’s not just the Executive Branch.",
">\n\n🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ \nAnd you know if there's one person doing it there's 100. Makes me weep for the men and women in uniform, and all of our safety. \nOn the same note, politicians are only human.",
">\n\nWelp, time to send the feds out to the Obamas' and to the Bushes' and to the Cheneys' and the Clintons' and to the Gores'...",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nUSAF Veteran here- Had a Security Clearance, though not Top Secret. \nHow in the hell …?",
">\n\nI had a TS/SCI...\nI second that. How in the hell?",
">\n\nDid he age 20 years in the past 3 years or something? I don't remember him looking that haggard",
">\n\nAny of us would age like that if Y'all Qaeda issued a fatwa against us.",
">\n\nI work at a law firm. We got a file from another reaffirm that had tracking chips on it and on every subfolder",
">\n\nWhen the vice president moves out, take the boxes not to their home, but to a filter facility where a filter team from FBI/NAR can go through the material and make sure any classified documents are processed properly. After that the boxes can be delivered to the former VP's home. Same procedure goes for ex-presidents of course.",
">\n\nThis is so fucking funny",
">\n\n\"I am Spartacus\", classified documents edition.",
">\n\nThanks! I started looking around and found some boxes of weird Cointelpro shit about LSD experiments and remote viewing in my Grandpa's shed.",
">\n\nLet's have a gander, eh?",
">\n\nI don't have any, but only because I just declassified them all with my mind.",
">\n\nReaches behind OP's ear: Is this a classified document?!",
">\n\nPut 'em all in the same jail cell /s\nSeriously we need to know what the documents contained. Personnel files or nuclear attack plans makes a difference.",
">\n\nThey make a difference, yes. But both actions are still a violation.",
">\n\nAt this point, maybe they should just release a list of who hasn't taken files home.",
">\n\nThe answer is they all have. The problem is some don't want to give them up.",
">\n\nIs that actually seen as a problem though? I haven’t seen any indictments. Obstruction of Justice, what’s that?!",
">\n\nI just found one in my dresser. Wtf!",
">\n\nSouvenirs 😂"
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"Doesn't install confidence in our classified handlings....",
">\n\nNot at the executive branch anyway. This is honestly disgusting and makes you wonder just how wide spread of a problem is this.",
">\n\nBiden had some out and about from his time as a Senator, too. \nIt’s not just the Executive Branch.",
">\n\n🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ \nAnd you know if there's one person doing it there's 100. Makes me weep for the men and women in uniform, and all of our safety. \nOn the same note, politicians are only human.",
">\n\nWelp, time to send the feds out to the Obamas' and to the Bushes' and to the Cheneys' and the Clintons' and to the Gores'...",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nUSAF Veteran here- Had a Security Clearance, though not Top Secret. \nHow in the hell …?",
">\n\nI had a TS/SCI...\nI second that. How in the hell?",
">\n\nDid he age 20 years in the past 3 years or something? I don't remember him looking that haggard",
">\n\nAny of us would age like that if Y'all Qaeda issued a fatwa against us.",
">\n\nI work at a law firm. We got a file from another reaffirm that had tracking chips on it and on every subfolder",
">\n\nWhen the vice president moves out, take the boxes not to their home, but to a filter facility where a filter team from FBI/NAR can go through the material and make sure any classified documents are processed properly. After that the boxes can be delivered to the former VP's home. Same procedure goes for ex-presidents of course.",
">\n\nThis is so fucking funny",
">\n\n\"I am Spartacus\", classified documents edition.",
">\n\nThanks! I started looking around and found some boxes of weird Cointelpro shit about LSD experiments and remote viewing in my Grandpa's shed.",
">\n\nLet's have a gander, eh?",
">\n\nI don't have any, but only because I just declassified them all with my mind.",
">\n\nReaches behind OP's ear: Is this a classified document?!",
">\n\nPut 'em all in the same jail cell /s\nSeriously we need to know what the documents contained. Personnel files or nuclear attack plans makes a difference.",
">\n\nThey make a difference, yes. But both actions are still a violation.",
">\n\nAt this point, maybe they should just release a list of who hasn't taken files home.",
">\n\nThe answer is they all have. The problem is some don't want to give them up.",
">\n\nIs that actually seen as a problem though? I haven’t seen any indictments. Obstruction of Justice, what’s that?!",
">\n\nI just found one in my dresser. Wtf!",
">\n\nSouvenirs 😂",
">\n\nI keep my classified documents in my cars glovebox"
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In summary, democrats are much more likely than republicans to take a nuanced view of the situation and criticize Biden for not disclosing the existence of the documents in a prompt manner.
A majority of republicans deny that Trump had top secret documents at his home at all, and if he did then it wasn't inappropriate anyways.
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I'd like to know if Pence or Biden knew they were in possession of classified documents, I believe the legal concept of mens rea is an important distinction between them and Trump. Then Trump tried to obstruct justice by obfuscation.
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"In summary, democrats are much more likely than republicans to take a nuanced view of the situation and criticize Biden for not disclosing the existence of the documents in a prompt manner.\nA majority of republicans deny that Trump had top secret documents at his home at all, and if he did then it wasn't inappropriate anyways."
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I would be surprised if Biden knew. It seems that many, if not all, may have just been simply lost in the shuffle and forgotten going by the descriptions of where they were found.
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"In summary, democrats are much more likely than republicans to take a nuanced view of the situation and criticize Biden for not disclosing the existence of the documents in a prompt manner.\nA majority of republicans deny that Trump had top secret documents at his home at all, and if he did then it wasn't inappropriate anyways.",
">\n\nI'd like to know if Pence or Biden knew they were in possession of classified documents, I believe the legal concept of mens rea is an important distinction between them and Trump. Then Trump tried to obstruct justice by obfuscation."
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Mike Pence has entered the chat...
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"In summary, democrats are much more likely than republicans to take a nuanced view of the situation and criticize Biden for not disclosing the existence of the documents in a prompt manner.\nA majority of republicans deny that Trump had top secret documents at his home at all, and if he did then it wasn't inappropriate anyways.",
">\n\nI'd like to know if Pence or Biden knew they were in possession of classified documents, I believe the legal concept of mens rea is an important distinction between them and Trump. Then Trump tried to obstruct justice by obfuscation.",
">\n\nI would be surprised if Biden knew. It seems that many, if not all, may have just been simply lost in the shuffle and forgotten going by the descriptions of where they were found."
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"In summary, democrats are much more likely than republicans to take a nuanced view of the situation and criticize Biden for not disclosing the existence of the documents in a prompt manner.\nA majority of republicans deny that Trump had top secret documents at his home at all, and if he did then it wasn't inappropriate anyways.",
">\n\nI'd like to know if Pence or Biden knew they were in possession of classified documents, I believe the legal concept of mens rea is an important distinction between them and Trump. Then Trump tried to obstruct justice by obfuscation.",
">\n\nI would be surprised if Biden knew. It seems that many, if not all, may have just been simply lost in the shuffle and forgotten going by the descriptions of where they were found.",
">\n\nMike Pence has entered the chat..."
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Good for the folks down under. In the US prices have gone up a few times over last few months. The power companies get creative by sneaking in the price increase during low use seasons, so you don't notice them as much. During this extra cold January our bills are double or more from last year.
Edit: changed are to our
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This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 89%. (I'm a bot)
Embattled consumers are set for some welcome relief after sky-high wholesale electricity prices more than halved in the final three months of 2022, an analysis of Australia's biggest power market shows.
Such "Instantaneous renewable penetration" was even higher in Western Australia's wholesale electricity market where green power accounted for 84.3 per cent of demand from the grid at one stage on December 12.
As part of its report, AEMO said gas-fired power generation fell during the December quarter as high prices weighed on demand and renewable energy output rose.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: cent^#1 per^#2 price^#3 power^#4 renewable^#5
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"Good for the folks down under. In the US prices have gone up a few times over last few months. The power companies get creative by sneaking in the price increase during low use seasons, so you don't notice them as much. During this extra cold January our bills are double or more from last year.\nEdit: changed are to our"
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"Good for the folks down under. In the US prices have gone up a few times over last few months. The power companies get creative by sneaking in the price increase during low use seasons, so you don't notice them as much. During this extra cold January our bills are double or more from last year.\nEdit: changed are to our",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 89%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEmbattled consumers are set for some welcome relief after sky-high wholesale electricity prices more than halved in the final three months of 2022, an analysis of Australia's biggest power market shows.\nSuch \"Instantaneous renewable penetration\" was even higher in Western Australia's wholesale electricity market where green power accounted for 84.3 per cent of demand from the grid at one stage on December 12.\nAs part of its report, AEMO said gas-fired power generation fell during the December quarter as high prices weighed on demand and renewable energy output rose.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: cent^#1 per^#2 price^#3 power^#4 renewable^#5"
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I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.
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And who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage.
Elected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it."
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100% assume they don't do the training. Too "busy". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct."
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At the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.
Sure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.
Dont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences."
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That's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions"
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During the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion.
“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
― Mark Twain
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom."
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Supporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain"
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It wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.
The thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.
The only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.
Personally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews."
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The American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start."
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Or if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.
From your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon."
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This like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know.
Trump on the other hand……..
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982."
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They are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand…….."
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Agree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal.."
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Do you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political."
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And the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?"
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Like when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary."
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I'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?"
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Because that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong."
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>
Trump broke a second law in terms of obstruction.
Intent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law."
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Intent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with."
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>
Actually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling."
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Intent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.
I think we are done
Have a good day!
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t."
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It feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!"
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>
Think they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents."
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We don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?"
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Search every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required."
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Supreme Court Justices leak their documents.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices."
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Likely at least one former president does as well.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents."
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one former president might do more than leak them.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well."
] |
>
One current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them."
] |
>
So you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows"
] |
>
His documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone."
] |
>
No one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck."
] |
>
Former vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing."
] |
>
At this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now."
] |
>
I just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around"
] |
>
I found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude."
] |
>
Serious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash."
] |
>
I imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?"
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Seriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice."
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They were turned in like they were supposed to be.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating."
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Boudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be."
] |
>
Welp, breakfast is officially over…
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them."
] |
>
Mother’s gonna be So mad.
Seriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…"
] |
>
Classified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified.
If you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.
Sounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.
Not trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head."
] |
>
To be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening."
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>
whoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents
Turns out the only one is Santos /s
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly."
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He'll probably lie about having some
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s"
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Lol now that I would believe…
|
[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some"
] |
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Can we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…"
] |
>
Why? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.
Just request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter."
] |
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I guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.
There's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in."
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I do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.
Though, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)"
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Anybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous."
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I should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer."
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How do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are."
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Everyone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around.
This is sadly hilarious.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?"
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I believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious."
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Finally, excitement in Indiana
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office."
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At this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana"
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LOCK HER UP! /s
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too."
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Difference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s"
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He can just think about it and it’s declassified!
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it."
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in b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!"
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It's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”"
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They’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material."
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Am I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them."
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I just found a classified document under your mattress bro
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?"
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Oh those? I declassified them already.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro"
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Interesting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already."
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I cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there"
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So you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife."
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I do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔"
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And what did they make you do on said island? 🤔
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you."
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Search them all.
Every former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.
I'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.
But we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔"
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These breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?"
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This isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling."
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The fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back."
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Ite BBQ season in Washington!
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households"
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The training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!"
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I bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness."
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Sounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its."
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I'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!"
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I'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's"
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I think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal.
Hey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will."
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As long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!"
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Here we go!!
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?"
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