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Feels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.
Probably go as well as the DoD audit.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!"
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yes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit."
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Did he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters."
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So everyone’s doing it
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do"
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All this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it"
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Who cares? Republicans are above the law
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face."
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All the cool kids have classified documents.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says"
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I'm out in the cold again... lol
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents."
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Mother will not be happy.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol"
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Political parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy."
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At this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?"
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Maybe start blaming the National Archives a bit
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board..."
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Blame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit"
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they ought to lock him up
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else"
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i wonder how fox news will spin this?
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up"
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Maybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong..."
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Bet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!"
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Oprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too."
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I am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”"
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He wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s
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[
"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?"
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Could all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s"
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Only he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations."
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Exactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced."
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I’m officially tired of this story…
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1.."
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I'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…"
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I agree about indictments.
However, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.
Which is what they’re trying to do right now.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming."
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Yeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old "irrelevant" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.
Most of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now."
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... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets."
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Yes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of "family" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?"
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I'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity."
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Ok, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe..."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore."
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Oh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check"
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If nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though."
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Probably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?"
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Just remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently."
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They really wouldn't.
Pretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.
There is a difference.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence."
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I think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference."
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I want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”
Thank you
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots."
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What a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt."
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Are they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…"
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So much for our illustrious, "impenetrable" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home."
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I imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables."
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Pence just has to say that the files were "cool keepsakes" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.
Always try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”"
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It’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year.
I’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them."
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I just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin..."
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good lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved.
also maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?"
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So all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s"
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Oh this is hilarious now… LOL.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet"
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This is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place."
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Really? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them"
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We might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard."
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I was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere."
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Yeah, but that WWI classified.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified."
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You know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever.."
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None of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol."
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... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?
Or did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…"
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A local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?
I think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?"
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This is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!",
">\n\nThis is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?"
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Now I am imaging Mike Pence shares the same cell with Trump—I know it is not gonna to happen but it is fun to think about it.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!",
">\n\nThis is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?",
">\n\neveryone turns to look at Obama\n\"Well?...\""
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In the words of Ro Khana this can be prevented if the broken system of classified document handling is reformed.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!",
">\n\nThis is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?",
">\n\neveryone turns to look at Obama\n\"Well?...\"",
">\n\nNow I am imaging Mike Pence shares the same cell with Trump—I know it is not gonna to happen but it is fun to think about it."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!",
">\n\nThis is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?",
">\n\neveryone turns to look at Obama\n\"Well?...\"",
">\n\nNow I am imaging Mike Pence shares the same cell with Trump—I know it is not gonna to happen but it is fun to think about it.",
">\n\nIn the words of Ro Khana this can be prevented if the broken system of classified document handling is reformed."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!",
">\n\nThis is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?",
">\n\neveryone turns to look at Obama\n\"Well?...\"",
">\n\nNow I am imaging Mike Pence shares the same cell with Trump—I know it is not gonna to happen but it is fun to think about it.",
">\n\nIn the words of Ro Khana this can be prevented if the broken system of classified document handling is reformed.",
">\n\nIn his mother’s closet?"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!",
">\n\nThis is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?",
">\n\neveryone turns to look at Obama\n\"Well?...\"",
">\n\nNow I am imaging Mike Pence shares the same cell with Trump—I know it is not gonna to happen but it is fun to think about it.",
">\n\nIn the words of Ro Khana this can be prevented if the broken system of classified document handling is reformed.",
">\n\nIn his mother’s closet?",
">\n\nIt’s almost like they all are profiting off classified information."
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Sounds like it is harder to sign out a library book than a classified document.
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!",
">\n\nThis is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?",
">\n\neveryone turns to look at Obama\n\"Well?...\"",
">\n\nNow I am imaging Mike Pence shares the same cell with Trump—I know it is not gonna to happen but it is fun to think about it.",
">\n\nIn the words of Ro Khana this can be prevented if the broken system of classified document handling is reformed.",
">\n\nIn his mother’s closet?",
">\n\nIt’s almost like they all are profiting off classified information.",
">\n\nBet tuppence they find some at Dan quayles mañana"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!",
">\n\nThis is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?",
">\n\neveryone turns to look at Obama\n\"Well?...\"",
">\n\nNow I am imaging Mike Pence shares the same cell with Trump—I know it is not gonna to happen but it is fun to think about it.",
">\n\nIn the words of Ro Khana this can be prevented if the broken system of classified document handling is reformed.",
">\n\nIn his mother’s closet?",
">\n\nIt’s almost like they all are profiting off classified information.",
">\n\nBet tuppence they find some at Dan quayles mañana",
">\n\nSounds like it is harder to sign out a library book than a classified document."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!",
">\n\nThis is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?",
">\n\neveryone turns to look at Obama\n\"Well?...\"",
">\n\nNow I am imaging Mike Pence shares the same cell with Trump—I know it is not gonna to happen but it is fun to think about it.",
">\n\nIn the words of Ro Khana this can be prevented if the broken system of classified document handling is reformed.",
">\n\nIn his mother’s closet?",
">\n\nIt’s almost like they all are profiting off classified information.",
">\n\nBet tuppence they find some at Dan quayles mañana",
">\n\nSounds like it is harder to sign out a library book than a classified document.",
">\n\nNational archive is some shit"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!",
">\n\nThis is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?",
">\n\neveryone turns to look at Obama\n\"Well?...\"",
">\n\nNow I am imaging Mike Pence shares the same cell with Trump—I know it is not gonna to happen but it is fun to think about it.",
">\n\nIn the words of Ro Khana this can be prevented if the broken system of classified document handling is reformed.",
">\n\nIn his mother’s closet?",
">\n\nIt’s almost like they all are profiting off classified information.",
">\n\nBet tuppence they find some at Dan quayles mañana",
">\n\nSounds like it is harder to sign out a library book than a classified document.",
">\n\nNational archive is some shit",
">\n\nAt this point, let’s just assume that all politicians take classified documents home. They should know better."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!",
">\n\nThis is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?",
">\n\neveryone turns to look at Obama\n\"Well?...\"",
">\n\nNow I am imaging Mike Pence shares the same cell with Trump—I know it is not gonna to happen but it is fun to think about it.",
">\n\nIn the words of Ro Khana this can be prevented if the broken system of classified document handling is reformed.",
">\n\nIn his mother’s closet?",
">\n\nIt’s almost like they all are profiting off classified information.",
">\n\nBet tuppence they find some at Dan quayles mañana",
">\n\nSounds like it is harder to sign out a library book than a classified document.",
">\n\nNational archive is some shit",
">\n\nAt this point, let’s just assume that all politicians take classified documents home. They should know better.",
">\n\nIs Oprah giving out classified documents?"
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!",
">\n\nThis is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?",
">\n\neveryone turns to look at Obama\n\"Well?...\"",
">\n\nNow I am imaging Mike Pence shares the same cell with Trump—I know it is not gonna to happen but it is fun to think about it.",
">\n\nIn the words of Ro Khana this can be prevented if the broken system of classified document handling is reformed.",
">\n\nIn his mother’s closet?",
">\n\nIt’s almost like they all are profiting off classified information.",
">\n\nBet tuppence they find some at Dan quayles mañana",
">\n\nSounds like it is harder to sign out a library book than a classified document.",
">\n\nNational archive is some shit",
">\n\nAt this point, let’s just assume that all politicians take classified documents home. They should know better.",
">\n\nIs Oprah giving out classified documents?",
">\n\nAnd there will be no consequences."
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"I'm beginning to think that political people who don't go through the normal vetting process to handle classified information aren't treating it as carefully as people who might lose their job for mishandling it.",
">\n\nAnd who get mandatory refresher training twice a year to handle it. And who still continually make mistakes, which is why half the training is telling you what to do when you have spillage. \nElected officials don't have to apply for clearance either, do they? They just get it automatically? Maybe that's something we should change, too, if my assumption is correct.",
">\n\n100% assume they don't do the training. Too \"busy\". Trump forced the gov to give Kushner a clearance when he couldn't pass normal vetting standards. They play by different rules with no consequences.",
">\n\nAt the banks I have worked for, if you dont pass the tests and quizzes, they dont let you have the power to say open checking accounts. Even if their manager really felt they should be allowed to do it.\nSure it would disqualify tons of people from holding office, but basic reading and retention skills should be a job requirement of holding elected or appointed office.\nDont let people too stupid to operate the seashells make big important decisions",
">\n\nThat's what elections are supposed to be. The problem is that a third of the population thinks the other side of the fence are baby eating lizard people and will gladly vote for someone who failed high school rather than someone with a reasonable grasp of the issues but a slightly different opinion on who should be allowed to have sex with whom.",
">\n\nDuring the American Revolution, one third supported the crown and one third supported the revolution and one third had no opinion. \n“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”\n― Mark Twain",
">\n\nSupporting the crown and supporting the revolution are clear distinctions rooted in reality. Unless of course the crown supporters were solely swayed by stories of the revolutionaries sucking the blood out of victims in the dead of the night and that mr. washignton's wooden dentures were funded by jews.",
">\n\nIt wasn't that extreme but there was definitely propaganda although more for the revolution than against the revolution. Early protests against the British were actually filled with people who were mostly paid to be there.\nThe thing is prior to the revolution life was actually improving for most colonists. The only group it wasn't improving for were the wealthy land owners and merchants. They didn't like the taxes levied against them and they also didn't like that the crown had begun allowing people to buy directly from British merchants which cut out the colonial middle men. Many of the United States founders were these middle men.\nThe only issue the common man really had against the British government was that they wouldn't allow them past the proclamation line because of treaties with native tribes.\nPersonally I'm glad the American revolution happened but it was hella astroturfed at the start.",
">\n\nThe American Revolution could have happened for free if they'd just waited 30 years for Napoleon.",
">\n\nOr if you'd just waited two centuries, they would've booted you out of the empire after everyone else has already left.\nFrom your friends up north, who only got their constitution repatriated in 1982.",
">\n\nThis like Biden’s deal… not a huge deal and prob speaks to broad classification issues. Seems like they both handled it like any non-insane person would. Imagine it’s more common than we currently know. \nTrump on the other hand……..",
">\n\nThey are handling it the correctly, but the news cycles of this just muddy the trump handling. Honestly this just makes me roll my eyes and go fuck it every politician handles classified documents incorrectly its a non story anymore. Even though it is a big deal..",
">\n\nAgree I’m a little concerned about even “left leaning” news sources muddying the waters with Trump but ultimately if it matters at all with Trump it won’t be political.",
">\n\nDo you mean the news sources muddying the waters in trumps situation about not wanting to give the papers back to the point that the fbi had to raid his home?",
">\n\nAnd the news media would have probably never caught wind of it if Trump didn't alert everyone about it and try and make this a personal attack. This would have been a complete non-story but trump had to make it all about himself. Seeing government agents come and go from an ex presidential residence? nothing out of the ordinary.",
">\n\nLike when he gave the eulogy recently at Diamond’s funeral, denied knowing Silk, and spoke mostly about himself?",
">\n\nI'm not American, but why do I got the feeling only Trump hid tons of shit on purpose?\nFeel free to correct me if I'm wrong.",
">\n\nBecause that is the difference here. Trump had intent and broke more than just the possession law.",
">\n\nTrump broke a second law in terms of obstruction. \nIntent is irrelevant on the subject of whether you mishandled classified information to begin with.",
">\n\nIntent is absolutely relevant. Intent to possess is important when discussing mishandling. Taking documents with the intent to use not for the role of your job is more than mishandling.",
">\n\nActually with the law that was broken, intent means absolutely nothing when it comes to applying it. Maybe we would like intent to matter but it doesn’t.",
">\n\nIntent matters in the prosecution. But I think you will keep going back to saying it doesn't.\nI think we are done\nHave a good day!",
">\n\nIt feels important that 435 House members, 100 senators, A President and a Vice President aren’t vetted by usual standards for a security clearance. 537 people at any given time. Elected officials should absolutely have access to information required to do their job, but if I have to sit through the same sexual harassment and micro-aggression e-learning courses each year, these fucks need to spend some damn time taking mandatory classes about handling documents.",
">\n\nThink they should be vetted very thoroughly before running for election. I'm playing loose with my words here but in theory, the masses could elect anyone. How do we know that person is trustworthy to handle important information?",
">\n\nWe don’t even know if George Santos is eligible to be a House member. In particular, it’s not clear that he’s even been a US citizen for 7 years, which is required.",
">\n\nSearch every living President, every congressional person, and all Supreme Court justices.",
">\n\nSupreme Court Justices leak their documents.",
">\n\nLikely at least one former president does as well.",
">\n\none former president might do more than leak them.",
">\n\nOne current president has already sold documents to China and Ukraine so who knows",
">\n\nSo you claim, but I have seen any proof from anyone.",
">\n\nHis documents found in the Penn Biden Center which records have shown received millions in dollars of gifts from foreign nations. I know the evidence isn't directly saying he did but if it walks like a duck.",
">\n\nNo one knows what the docs were. Sorry thank you for playing.",
">\n\nFormer vice president Mike Pence’s lawyer turned over a dozen classified records over to the FBI after they were found at the former vice president’s home, CNN reported.\nThis article is not behind a paywall, but we welcome you to register for free or hit 'I'll try later' if you don't want to right now.",
">\n\nAt this point I’m wondering who hasn’t got classified documents floating around",
">\n\nI just checked my car and found a couple, which is weird because I’m just a regular dude.",
">\n\nI found one in my HelloFresh (not sponsored) recipe one time and just chucked it in the trash.",
">\n\nSerious question: When you leave office, why would you ever be like, yeah I want to bring with me a bunch of boxes full of paper documents I'll never look at and store them at my house?",
">\n\nI imagine this is a combination of the fact that these guys travel a lot, particularly positions like VP, so their staff is generally constantly picking everything up to be moved to AF2 and then wherever they land I imagine some of it comes with as well. With that much shuffling around of documents and then they leave office and just pack everything up I guess? It’s obviously a pretty negligent way of handling things but I’m betting the bulk majority of the ones Biden and Pence have handed over are nothingburger docs that aren’t highly classified or containing anything particularly juicy. It could be daily security briefs, it could be a schedule or their travel itinerary details potentially even if it has security specifics…I wouldn’t rush to judgement until we hear more. I think both cases are quite different from what Trump did, still negligent AF but I doubt malice.",
">\n\nSeriously I suspect if they searched most elected officials with top secret clearance, they would likely find documents. It’s not like our elected officials follow policies and procedures or act in ethical ways. It’s like they get points for playing dirty and cheating.",
">\n\nThey were turned in like they were supposed to be.",
">\n\nBoudoir photographs of Lindsey Graham are not classified documents, so long as mother doesn’t see them.",
">\n\nWelp, breakfast is officially over…",
">\n\nMother’s gonna be So mad.\nSeriously though, how do you not keep track of these at all? Like isn;t there a system where you fill out even a single form, I mean I never put anything in my closet when I checked out dissertations and papers form the the college research library, I always had the due date and fines hanging over my head.",
">\n\nClassified stuff is a little different, anything created from classified source material is also classified. \nIf you jot a note down from a meeting and put it in your desk to reference later, that’s mishandling classified info if the meeting is classified. It’s fine while you’re the VP/president, but once you lose that clearance it’s no longer fine. Not saying this is exactly what happened but just an example.\nSounds easy to avoid in one off instances, but imagine your in a position where your having these meetings, files and convos 24/7 for 4 years straight. It seems almost bound to happen at some point.\nNot trying to excuse it, but there’s definitely a reason it keeps happening.",
">\n\nTo be fair, those notes need to be secured properly.",
">\n\nwhoopsies! Seems like the shorter list will be who DOESN'T have classified documents\nTurns out the only one is Santos /s",
">\n\nHe'll probably lie about having some",
">\n\nLol now that I would believe…",
">\n\nCan we please investigate every living President and Vice President for this. From Potatoe misspelling Dan Quayle, to Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter.",
">\n\nWhy? Unless there is some suspected criminal activity, this is really a non issue.\nJust request everyone check their records and turn anything they shouldn’t have in.",
">\n\nI guarantee that every past president and VP is working to make sure they don't have any classified docs they shouldn't have. It was Pence's own attorneys who found the docs and I'm sure he's the one who directed them to search for them.\nThere's already a process on the books for returning classified docs. Folks are following the process (except for Trump who vehemently denied it even after they were found...)",
">\n\nI do understand why politicians take classified documents to their homes… At least he did the right thing, informed the FBI and turned them over, like Biden. Unlike the orange troll.\nThough, the archives need to strengthen its laws and stop politicians from taking any classified documents outside of secure government facilities. This is getting ridiculous.",
">\n\nAnybody else think this and the Biden story were leaked purposefully to 'innoculate' Trump? 'See, it's normal! All ex President's and VP's do it!' I wouldn't be very surprised at this point to hear about classified documents turning up in Jimmy Carter's bureau drawer.",
">\n\nI should check my file cabinet to make sure I don’t have any. Makes wonder how secure our security practices really are.",
">\n\nHow do local libraries have better records of who checked out books and when those books are due back?",
">\n\nEveryone check their homes. At this rate we all must have classified material lying around. \nThis is sadly hilarious.",
">\n\nI believe this was normal before all the attention was on Trump for lying and refusing to turn them over. We never heard about it since it was routine to pick up stray documents from prior administrations. Now, we are hearing every single time they find a document. It is probably a good idea to make the system better for tracking documents. They can't keep the President or Vice President from taking documents home, because, who will order them to? They need to keep track of who has what documents and retrieve them later when they are leaving or out of office.",
">\n\nFinally, excitement in Indiana",
">\n\nAt this point I'm starting to wonder if I have classified documents at my house too.",
">\n\nLOCK HER UP! /s",
">\n\nDifference is the Donald can just look at something and declassify it.",
">\n\nHe can just think about it and it’s declassified!",
">\n\nin b4 “classified documents found at dick cheneys underground dungeon”",
">\n\nIt's the National Archives that need to be investigated. There obviously isn't a working system in place to track and control classified material.",
">\n\nThey’re underfunded and understaffed for the amount of documents that they archive, and you know a House under GOP control isn’t going to allocate more money to them.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who doesn’t have classified documents at my house?",
">\n\nI just found a classified document under your mattress bro",
">\n\nOh those? I declassified them already.",
">\n\nInteresting, just also found your name on Epstein’s island list 🤔 care to explain why you were there",
">\n\nI cut ties with him after he tried to get me to join Herbalife.",
">\n\nSo you do confirm you were at the island? Can you also identify any other individuals that may have been there? 🤔",
">\n\nI do not recall but Bill Clinton could tell you.",
">\n\nAnd what did they make you do on said island? 🤔",
">\n\nSearch them all.\nEvery former Pres/VP, every former cabinet member, every current and former congress member.\nI'm sure in 99% of cases it'll be carelessness, forgetfulness, some intern not knowing what they're doing... the sheer volume of files these people deal with guarantees that occasionally something will go missing.\nBut we'll know who's careless and who's malevolent based on how they respond. Will they turn things over willingly like Biden and Pence, or will they lie and try to hide the documents and make excuses and whine and cry and shit themselves like Diaper Don?",
">\n\nThese breaches point to a larger, systemic, problem with how classified documents are handled by elected officials. I imagine there are a bunch of Congressmen and Senators with classified documents in their home offices. It may be nothing nefarious, but really sloppy handling.",
">\n\nThis isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon is the government needing to raid your property to get it back.",
">\n\nThe fireplaces are up and burning at the Bush and Clinton households",
">\n\nIte BBQ season in Washington!",
">\n\nThe training tends to be a joke. The lack of consequences is the problem. As the other commenter said, real people lose their jobs for honest mistakes and maybe go to jail for extreme carelessness.",
">\n\nI bet there is smoke coming from so many wealthy houses as people rush to burn documents before the FBI shows up.",
">\n\nSounds like these docs are as easy to keep track of as my ever expansive pile of post-its.",
">\n\nTag! You’re it!",
">\n\nI'm starting to worry that they are going to find classified documents at my nana's",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the excuses Republicans use to explain why Biden's situation is treason and how Pence's situation is no big deal. I hope journalists put pressure on Republicans for when they do it, but I'm not going to hold my breath that journalists will.",
">\n\nI think this is a ploy to weaken Trump’s own classified document scandal. \nHey look at all those people with classified documents…no way you can charge me now!",
">\n\nAs long has he turns them over...but serious, can we please stop having high ranking politicians hold classified documents for 1 day?",
">\n\nHere we go!!",
">\n\nFeels like there should a Top Secret document audit of those in and out of power.\nProbably go as well as the DoD audit.",
">\n\nyes see you're supposed to return the documents if they are found; Pence and Biden are doing that, and Trump did not do that. this is the difference that really matters.",
">\n\nDid he think about declassifying them, because that's all he needed to do",
">\n\nSo everyone’s doing it",
">\n\nAll this is telling me is the US government does a shitty job controlling classified material. I bet if they go through all the senators offices/homes they will find classified crap.",
">\n\nWho cares? Republicans are above the law",
">\n\nlol, he has the perfect face.",
">\n\nThat’s what Mother says",
">\n\nAll the cool kids have classified documents.",
">\n\nI'm out in the cold again... lol",
">\n\nMother will not be happy.",
">\n\nPolitical parties aside, our federal government clearly has a controller document control issue. Absolutely maddening. How is this happening? Do these boomers just print out everything?",
">\n\nAt this point I am expecting them to announce that they found classified documents next to Obama' surfing board...",
">\n\nMaybe start blaming the National Archives a bit",
">\n\nBlame Hillary! I’m sure another #TrumpRant is coming, pointing the usual mango tanned finger at everyone else",
">\n\nthey ought to lock him up",
">\n\ni wonder how fox news will spin this?",
">\n\nMaybe they'll say that Trump declassified those documents for him, so nothing wrong...",
">\n\nDo I have classified documents at MY home?!",
">\n\nBet you a Billion Saudi dollars Jared Kushner has classified documents at one of his residences too.",
">\n\nOprah: “You get a classified document! And YOU get a classified document! YOU ALL get classified documents!!!”",
">\n\nI am just surprised that there are actual paper files floating around. Like, who has paper files anymore?",
">\n\nHe wasn’t allowed to receive his briefings without his wife in the vicinity. /s",
">\n\nCould all old shitty politicians from years yonder please just clean out their frickin garages and attics and save us all the trouble of having to investigate the classified shit you hoarded. Like really I’m done. How is it I get body searched entering a public building in eastbumblefuck and all of you all can’t help but store nuclear secrets like they’re 20 year old Christmas decorations.",
">\n\nOnly he who does not have classified paperwork at their domicile should cast the first stone.",
">\n\nExactly. President's and VP's having low-level (or even accidentally higher-level) classified documents at their places of residence isn't necessarily unusual or even bad (those places are guarded by USSS after all), what's bad is when those documents are found they are not immediately returned to the gov't and further searches aren't done. Trump failed to return documents after being notified and refused further searches until his hand was forced.",
">\n\nAnd queue the lack of republicans complaining about it in 3…2…1..",
">\n\nI’m officially tired of this story…",
">\n\nI'm not, I'm pissed that the indictments arent coming.",
">\n\nI agree about indictments.\nHowever, some old, irrelevant documents people didn’t even know they had *and are more than happy to return* is a lot less important to me than the republicans trying to add a 30% sales tax to EVERYTHING.\nWhich is what they’re trying to do right now.",
">\n\nYeah... but here's the thing, I think rule of law is more important than any individual politician. I don't think Pence or Biden had intent to commit a crime, but instead engaged in negligent handling of those old \"irrelevant\" (we don't know what's in them... it's secret) classified documents.\nMost of those Republicans should have been barred from office for refusing to impeach Trump over Jan 6th. The 14th amendment should have been applied to anyone who participated in the insurrection or its cover up. We wouldn't be dealing with this national sales tax nonsense (which will never get passed through the legislative branch) if democrats treated these fascist fucks like the traitors they are. Instead of trying to make an example of the Jan six rioters, prosecutors and our AG keep dragging their feet, while these judges keep handing out sentences for less time than a black man smoking a joint in his own home gets.",
">\n\n... Democrats aren't treating the insurrectionists seriously enough? How do you figure? I mean, I can understand frustration with Biden's Justice Dept., but that's (hopefully) tactical. But Democrats in general ...?",
">\n\nYes, the 14th amendment applies, giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists bars a person from holding public office except where a thirds vote by congress rescinds that impediment... Democrats refuse to follow the constitution when they didn't demand a two thirds vote before seating those Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment. This isnt a case of both sides are the same, its more the drunk abusive dad and the enabling mom who let's the abuse continue for the sake of \"family\" unity. The abusive Dad is the problem, but the enabling mom is still shity.",
">\n\nI'm guessing with no chance of success it was just a calculation about how it would be interpreted. Which I agree is not what they should be thinking about; I'm all for principled action even if you know you won't prevail. Abusive dad, very physically weak mom, mebbe...",
">\n\nOk, I think I'm seeing a trend here. Who's next?",
">\n\nMy money would be on Pelosi, but maybe a surprise like Al Gore.",
">\n\nAlso it’s definitely Cheney but everyone is too scared of being shot to go check",
">\n\nOh he’s probably got a vault full. Good call!",
">\n\nIf nothing else Pence did save our democracy from the angry orange aholes supporters. Clearly he had selfish reasons though.",
">\n\nWhy is this all coming out now?",
">\n\nProbably because we’re witnessing policy being made by necessity. One guy gets caught doing something flagrantly and now everyone else is going to get a refresher course on doing it negligently.",
">\n\nJust remember if it were you or I and 99.99999% of everyone else here, they’d throw us in prison..but your name doesn’t end with Trump, Biden or Pence.",
">\n\nThey really wouldn't.\nPretty much every case where someone was locked up, they had a willfullnes issue, not just unintentionally having classified documents.\nThere is a difference.",
">\n\nI think it’s time for the justice department to begin investigating everyone with access to classified information. Senate intelligence committee. All prior presidents and VPs. I don’t trust any of them. I would have the FBI treat it as counterintelligence threat and investigate it properly and regularly vet and re-vet these idiots.",
">\n\nI want to add “What about a Hillary Clinton’s emails and Hunter Baden’s laptop?!?!”\nThank you",
">\n\nWhat a surprise…. A bunch of career politicians, that really only care for power and influence, don’t follow their own rules! The older I get the more I lose faith in our government…. It seems like the vast majority of our leaders are corrupt.",
">\n\nAww shit here we go again…",
">\n\nAre they giving them away in swag bags for the state of the union after-party?",
">\n\nSo much for our illustrious, \"impenetrable\" classified system. Maybe its time for a revamp?",
">\n\nthey should check G. Bush house",
">\n\nI wish I could have sensitive documents in my home.",
">\n\nSpecial prosecutor needed soon\nFox: it’s no big deal",
">\n\nI imagine everyone who ever worked at a high level in the WH is scrambling to make sure they don’t have anything. Except the Clintons, who you know will be the only ones that already did that.",
">\n\nwell, well, well, how the turntables.",
">\n\nWonder what theyre looking for.",
">\n\nPence just has to say that the files were \"cool keepsakes\" that were declassified by Trump thinking about it and were planted there by the FBI when they were looking for Hillary Clinton's emails.\nAlways try to make a problem look like one that's already been solved!",
">\n\nJesus, he looks terrible. “Nothing fucks you like time.”",
">\n\nThis is starting to look like a you problem NARA.",
">\n\nIt’s almost as if this has always been a thing and was never seen as a big deal until this year. \nI’ve also heard many reporters say the level at which things are classified is ridiculous and that contributes to the fact they’re finding pretty much every current or former leader improperly possessing them. Apparently things as mundane as directions on how to use lunch vouchers as an employee of the CIA are marked classified.",
">\n\nClassified documents found in my home",
">\n\nDid mother approve?",
">\n\nshe probably packed them.",
">\n\nY'all should go over to FOX news and watch the spin...",
">\n\nI just go ask for classified documents. Beats buying toilet paper.",
">\n\ngood lord. just raid all of the politicians houses already and let’s end this hamster wheel of news resolved. \nalso maybe like lets turn this back to the DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. is anybody clean?",
">\n\nJust fucking lounge in the pool and watch your grandkids grow up for fucks sake.",
">\n\nSo all of these politicians are pieces of shit? Never would have thought\n/s",
">\n\nAnyone searched Jimmy Carter’s place yet",
">\n\nOh this is hilarious now… LOL.",
">\n\nThis is why Carter is building all those houses. He's got classified docs all over the place.",
">\n\nWho found them",
">\n\nReally? I wonder how’s the Republicans are going to spin this? They’ll do one or two things. Make this out worst than what it is …or make sure it appears it’s the worst thing any Republican ever done…. That’s not possible by anybodies standard.",
">\n\nWe might as well use these documents for paper mache, and snow flake cutting at this point since everyone seems to have some stacheed somewhere.",
">\n\nI was cleaning out my attic last weekend, and wouldn't you believe it, I found some classified government documents!!! It really can happen to anyone.",
">\n\nYeah, but that WWI classified.",
">\n\nNow it’s a pattern. No one is held accountable anyway so whatever..",
">\n\nYou know I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist (I am. Like pretty bad in some cases lol) but does this not seem fishy? Like all the people that the long term politicians at the top wouldn't want in the running are now having classified docs just suddenly appear in their homes in the dumbest of places? Maybe it's just me lol.",
">\n\nNone of these people have actually managed documents in years. In fact, they don't do any admin work. They are staffed. It would be like if you came home every day to cook dinner and all the ingredients are prepped and all you do is come in, put them in the pan and cook it. Then when your done, people come back and clean everything up for you. Here, people come in, hand them stuff to read and then either they hand them back or it ends up in a pile on their desk that someone else is supposed to manage. When they go on vacation or go home, they are still getting briefings. When VP Biden or Pence is at home in Delaware/Indiana, they still get the Presidential Daily Brief every single day and if there isn't staff on hand to tidy everything up it goes into a corner.",
">\n\n... seriously, don't they have enough space in their file cabinets in their work offices to fit these documents in?\nOr did they forget to remove the baby lock off of Trump's locker?",
">\n\nOf course he would live in Indiana…",
">\n\nK, do something about it.. oh wait... you are incompetent",
">\n\nA local county library does a better job of knowing who has checked out a book, and whether or not it has been returned than the National Archives can track who is in possession of highly classified documents?\nI think Trump stole the classified stuff whereas Biden and Pence committed acts of neglect in the failure to return documents.",
">\n\nFuckin lol",
">\n\nWhoopsies",
">\n\nHas anyone checked Stormy Daniels' underwear drawer for classified documents?",
">\n\nLock him up!!",
">\n\nThis is amazing. Did Oprah hand out documents to everyone and I missed it?!?",
">\n\neveryone turns to look at Obama\n\"Well?...\"",
">\n\nNow I am imaging Mike Pence shares the same cell with Trump—I know it is not gonna to happen but it is fun to think about it.",
">\n\nIn the words of Ro Khana this can be prevented if the broken system of classified document handling is reformed.",
">\n\nIn his mother’s closet?",
">\n\nIt’s almost like they all are profiting off classified information.",
">\n\nBet tuppence they find some at Dan quayles mañana",
">\n\nSounds like it is harder to sign out a library book than a classified document.",
">\n\nNational archive is some shit",
">\n\nAt this point, let’s just assume that all politicians take classified documents home. They should know better.",
">\n\nIs Oprah giving out classified documents?",
">\n\nAnd there will be no consequences.",
">\n\nLock him in next to Trump cell"
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