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"And of course, Trump is confessing again on Truth ahead of the hearing.",
">\n\nWhat’s he saying?",
">\n\nHere you go:\nMy phone call to the Secretary of State of Georgia, and a second call which the Marxists, Communists, Racists, and RINOS don’t even want to talk about, were “PERFECT” calls. Many people, including lawyers for both sides, were knowingly on the line. I was protesting a RIGGED & STOLEN Election, which evidence proves it was. I won Georgia by a lot, but only needed a small number of votes from that total number. They cheated in many ways including STUFFING Ballots, ALL CAUGHT LIVE ON TAPE...\nWith many people on the line on what was a PERFECT call protesting the Rigged Georgia Election, which I have a clear right to do, and in fact an obligation to do since I made the call as President, how come not one person said, while on the call, that I acted inappropriately, or made a statement of protest at what I said, & then slammed down the phone. Not one, even with so many opposing people, lawyers, and others on the line. NO ADMONISHMENT at all. We nicely agreed to speak again….\nThat was the call to Georgia. It was PERFECT, nothing done or said wrong. We agreed to continue our conversation at a later date. The other call, that was probably taped by them illegally, was so good that when the Washington Post heard it, they did a retraction and apology because they were fed false information, perhaps by the Secretary of State’s office, and they were angry about it! The Election in Georgia was RIGGED AND STOLEN. We have all the evidence needed. That is the CRIME!",
">\n\nHoly shit, he's still spouting the same bullshit he did from day one?",
">\n\nThis jackass hasn't changed his tune in years. It's the same dribble of bullshit.",
">\n\nEverything he is doing and say are actually working, Until proven otherwise.",
">\n\nNot really. He's no longer useful and the right wing media machine that brought him his throngs of worshippers is starting to steer clear of him, even acknowledging they want to move on from Trump. Yes, he still holds sway over his biggliest sycophantic devotees, but it's clear that he's a lost cause to everyone else who even has a toe in reality. The S.S. Trumpanic is starting to take on water, no matter how much he denies there is an iceberg.",
">\n\nHe got to live a lavish lifestyle and became president of the United States, Attempted to overthrow the US and Still out playing golf. Heck his financial guy went to prison for him and his lawyer dropped on a sword for him. \nThe ship might be sinking, He'll die an old life peacefully. Before his feet even touch water.",
">\n\nYou mean the details like the absolutely open and shut proof in the phone call everyone on earth already heard?",
">\n\nThe Georgia investigation's scope is much wider than just the Raffensperger call. The Special Grand Jury was looking into \"multi-state, coordinated efforts to influence the results of the November 2020 elections in Georgia and elsewhere\" and included other calls and attempts to pressure state and local officials (by Trump and by others), the Georgia fake electors, I think some financial crimes, false statements made to the Georgia legislature, intimidation of poll workers, etc. \nThe call itself isn't as open and shut as it seems on the surface, either. The Georgia law re: solicitation of election fraud requires proof of criminal intent. It's the prosecution's burden to prove that Trump meant \"fabricate votes out of thin air\" when he technically said \"find the existing votes that were made and/or discarded illegally, resulting in the election being stolen from me.\" \n(You don't have to argue with me: I know what he really meant just as well as you and everyone else does, but proving it beyond a reasonable doubt in court is a different matter). \nIf even part of the jury thinks Trump may have genuinely believed the election was stolen and he was defrauded of hundreds of thousands of votes in Georgia, then he can't be convicted of willful solicitation of election fraud. I wouldn't want to be the prosecutor who has to prove Trump didn't believe a conspiracy theory. \nI think the House Committee's case did a great deal to demonstrate that Trump knew the conspiracy theories were false, but I haven't looked closely enough to see whether there's enough to show he knew at the time of the phone call which will be essential to the prosecution.",
">\n\n\nI think that's a much weaker argument for the defense than you're making it out to be. \n\nI think it's much weaker now than it was a year or two ago. With the evidence we know now, I think the defense I described is likely to lose. That's why I'm glad the various investigations have taken their time to gather a preponderance of evidence instead of prosecuting 2 years ago when everyone on Reddit said \"it's open and shut, just play the phone call and it's over!\" \n\nIt doesn't matter what Trump thinks.\n\nIt does though. The words \"knowingly\" and \"willfully\" count for a lot in the law. If the defense is able to convince a jury that Trump really believed he was asking Raffensperger to find and count genuine discarded votes and not just fabricate a number, then he did not solicit election fraud, and he cannot be convicted of it, no matter how boneheaded his belief was. Fortunately I think his case for this has seriously weakened with time and evidence and this defense is not likely to succeed at this point.",
">\n\nThe law in question is not \"going outside appropriate channels,\" the law in question is \"criminal solicitation of election fraud.\" If his intention were for Raffensperger to \"find\" existing votes that had been discarded, and not to fabricate a false vote count, then he did not solicit Raffensperger to commit a felony. \nI agree with you, of course he was wrong and guilty as fuck, and of course he knew he was lying on that phone call. I'm not defending Trump here, I'm just explaining a challenge involved in prosecuting this particular law.",
">\n\nListen, we're splitting the hairs of a hypothetical defense. I agree fully with you that Trump committed criminal solicitation of election fraud. And I think the context and the current evidence is enough to overcome an argument to the contrary. \nBut if Trump had gone \"outside of the appropriate channels\" to ask an official to find and count fraudulently discarded ballots, this would not be solicitation of election fraud, because the official finding and counting fraudulently discarded ballots would not be election fraud. His approach would be inappropriate and it might merit charges related to intimidation, etc., but it would not be criminal solicitation of election fraud. That's all I'm saying. \nWith only the call transcript/recording as evidence, two years ago, this could have been a genuine obstacle to prosecution. A surmountable obstacle, but not a sure thing. Now, because of the diligence of two years of investigations, there is (what I believe to be) a preponderance of evidence which destroys any argument that his intent was innocent or ambiguous.",
">\n\nFani's gonna get Ya!",
">\n\nBig Fat gonna be hot 🥵",
">\n\nHow about you put the traitor in prison for life? I'd like the details on that one.",
">\n\nI would just be happy f I never heard his voice, saw his face or had to read about that guy ever again. He single handedly ruin America.",
">\n\nWe probably will not see much of this report, if any, until charging decisions are reached with the regular grand jury.\nProsecutors aren't going to want specifics divulged to a potential defense or a media reaction if they can avoid it.",
">\n\nPeople worship this serial liar crybaby dunce. Still blows my mind",
">\n\nI don’t think the read Reuter’s, probably too busy watching Newsmax.",
">\n\nI care about an indictment, I can wait for details until the trial. We know much of what happened already with the J6 proceedings and prior reporting. An indictment would be big, many people, good people, maybe the best people, are saying it would be YUUGE.",
">\n\nWhat do you think will be first the trial or the moon landing?",
">\n\nEveryone knows he's a criminal. \nReleasing more info that everyone already knows won't do anything.\nThe DOJ needs to prosecute him now.",
">\n\nThis is the Georgia grand jury, not the DOJ investigation.",
">\n\nThe DOJ needs to prosecute him now.",
">\n\nSure, but that's probably better for a comment section concerning the DOJ.",
">\n\nsigh... throw it in the Could Bin",
">\n\nI am beginning to think nothing will happen for this, or any of the other investigations.",
">\n\nCops, including the fbi, are maga.",
">\n\n\"Could\" is not news",
">\n\nOr when they write “may” or my favorite “people raft to…” total clickbait.",
">\n\nAnd nothing will be done.",
">\n\nTrump will probably be indicted here unless Fani drops the prosecution against him. I know that's an easy thing to doubt after all these years, but I just don't see her dropping it. Things have gone too far to turn back and Trump can't afford any of the executive protections he once enjoyed, especially in a state investigation.\nShe spent almost a year subpoenaing the entire Georgia government, U.S. Congressmembers - and informed 16 fake electors, the head of the GA GOP, and Rudy Giuliani that they are criminal targets. She is also notoriously aggressive and unapologetic. \nCharges being weighed include election fraud, conspiracy, oath of office violations, racketeering and other offenses.\nIt would be shocking and mark her legacy if she went this far and didn't proceed against the investigation's obvious target, especially something that has such historical ramifications.\nAnd obtaining an indictment is not particularly difficult at this point. Only 12 out of up to 23 grand jurors need to vote to return it, and the bar is quite low - nothing like conviction. It's essentially \"there is probable cause from the evidence provided and a trial is needed to determine guilt.”\nSo - I think all roads lead to Trump getting charged here. But the place to remain skeptical and cynical is a trial and conviction. We still have a long ways to go and Trump still may never be held accountable, even if charged.",
">\n\nThe order of likelihood for both charges and conviction are: \n\n\nThe classified documents case \n\n\nThe Georgia case \n\n\nThe January 6th case \n\n\nThe docs case is pretty open and shut, I just think they're trying to determine how bad it is, which may have been difficult since he put up resistance (obstruction), which itself was a crime, and now it's complicated by Biden's docs situation. \nI don't see this whole Georgia being being tossed aside - at least someone close to trump will get some charges, but man - that call was ridiculously obvious. \nThe J6 case is being made by the seditious conspiracy convictions, and almost all that remains is the people at the very top.",
">\n\nIt could be complicated by Biden’s docs situation, if people aren’t doing their fucking jobs, but that really should not complicate anything. If Trump broke the law, enforce it. If Biden broke the law, enforce it. The law clearly makes sense, we don’t need to repeal it, so just fucking enforce it!\nThe circumstances are clearly vastly different, and that should probably affect how they’re responded to. If anyone doesn’t like that, the response from prosecutors should be “Ok, I don’t give a shit about your feelings.”",
">\n\nThe only way it should theoretically complicate Trump's docs case is that it would come down to 12 jurors' understanding of our judicial system, which Trump's lawyers, I'm sure, would soil a bit to ensure they understand that it's no big deal and thus, not really a crime: \"See? It's not such a big deal and happens all the time! Even Biden \n and Pence did it!\" \nFellow citizens have proven how dumb and susceptible they are, so that's what I meant by complicated, since the DOJ would have to build their prosecution with that in mind.",
">\n\nWe have the right to know.",
">\n\nSure, but I'd rather it come out as part of the trial.",
">\n\nI realize with trumps money and knowledge of misuse of our legal system this will take time but, Just do something, anything, please. How long must this go on?",
">\n\nBased on prior outcomes, a few peons get thrown under the bus and the principals skate.",
">\n\nDetails are nice, but let's have some indictments and arrests.",
">\n\nfani willis basically just said this should be kept secret to be fair to future defendants based on the contents, pretty much saying that charges WILL be coming",
">\n\nYeah, everyone is talking a good game. However, I think most of us will only believe it when we see it.",
">\n\nI really doubt it. Mainly because the DA asked for it not to be.",
">\n\nRight? No reason to hide the inevitable. I am thinking no incitements now, but maybe they can use the testimony in a Federal case if anyone every decides to actually do something.",
">\n\nWe heard the phone call over two fucking years ago. \nI am so sick of this shit. Every time this criminal doesn't get charged it's an indictment of the US justice system.",
">\n\ndownvote anything with \"could\" \"should\" \"maybe\" \"might\" in the headline.",
">\n\n\nThe final report from a Georgia grand jury investigating then-President Donald Trump's efforts to overturn his defeat in the state's 2020 election could soon be publicly released, depending on the outcome of a Tuesday court hearing.",
">\n\nIt will make jury selection much more difficult. Easier for trump to claim a trial in DC would be prejudiced because FL people are much less likely to have been exposed to it, only having watched Fox News, and thus his supporters.",
">\n\nTrial would be in Georgia, since this would be state charges against him",
">\n\nOops! You're right. I was thinking documents. It's hard to keep up.",
">\n\nMerrick Garland is bracing himself to do nothing. It will take much resolve and patience, but no one can do nothing like Merrick. Every day, he demonstrates the resolve of great leaders like Neville Chamberlain and King Louis XVI.",
">\n\nI think James Buchanan is a good comp here, they both coddled an insurrection and invited more.",
">\n\nMore info beyond \"hey could you find me some more votes that could accidentally fall out of this envelope of money I just set on your desk\"",
">\n\nWhy could be?",
">\n\nCould…",
">\n\nLike I know it’s joked about a lot, but does he not look conspicuously orange??",
">\n\nTrump is bleeding… bleeding…. And bleeding.",
">\n\nAnother \"could be\" piece. Nothing ever definite. We all saw this as it was happening.",
">\n\nYou don’t have to wait.. he just asked whoever picked up the phone in Georgia to find him 12k votes.",
">\n\nSo, no indictment? Figures.",
">\n\nIts debatable. Da wants it delayed it sounds like. But not stopped.",
">\n\nSo frustrating. Seems like there are literally no consequences for anything.",
">\n\nDo it",
">\n\nhurry up already!",
">\n\nI'd say keep the details under wraps. Don't want to be accused of tainting the jury pool. Give him a completely fair trial and let all the details out in court. Prevent an appeal.",
">\n\nNot yet",
">\n\nFunny to see this article immediately after reading an article about the Georgia DA WILL NOT BE MAKING THIS PUBLIC.",
">\n\nLol ever since he announced he was gonna run again the anti trump stuff has been in full force, it’s weird they kinda sorta turned in joe too. Why is America controlled by clowns",
">\n\nI feel like all these publications are an attempt to slowly condition his little yet unstable group of remaining supporters into understanding he will be imprisoned. Jan6 committee have concluded, they’ll definitely convict him for it. No other way in my mind.",
">\n\nYes this. Nothing sticks though it's kinda crazy.",
">\n\nEverything he was planning on doing was already shown. We heard the phone call…",
">\n\nWhen?",
">\n\nWon’t happen. And if it did, there will be no consequences.",
">\n\nHow can any lawyer work for this guy? He never shuts up.",
">\n\nGo, Fani, go!!!",
">\n\nDon’t we have the audio of him asking to find 10,000 votes? What else do you need?",
">\n\n“Could be” - articles like this are worthless.",
">\n\nWith all these investigations, grand juries, special counsels; did anyone calculate how much he has costed the American tax payers financially for all this?",
">\n\nNothing will happen",
">\n\nAnd will be met with a collective yawn."
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[
"And of course, Trump is confessing again on Truth ahead of the hearing.",
">\n\nWhat’s he saying?",
">\n\nHere you go:\nMy phone call to the Secretary of State of Georgia, and a second call which the Marxists, Communists, Racists, and RINOS don’t even want to talk about, were “PERFECT” calls. Many people, including lawyers for both sides, were knowingly on the line. I was protesting a RIGGED & STOLEN Election, which evidence proves it was. I won Georgia by a lot, but only needed a small number of votes from that total number. They cheated in many ways including STUFFING Ballots, ALL CAUGHT LIVE ON TAPE...\nWith many people on the line on what was a PERFECT call protesting the Rigged Georgia Election, which I have a clear right to do, and in fact an obligation to do since I made the call as President, how come not one person said, while on the call, that I acted inappropriately, or made a statement of protest at what I said, & then slammed down the phone. Not one, even with so many opposing people, lawyers, and others on the line. NO ADMONISHMENT at all. We nicely agreed to speak again….\nThat was the call to Georgia. It was PERFECT, nothing done or said wrong. We agreed to continue our conversation at a later date. The other call, that was probably taped by them illegally, was so good that when the Washington Post heard it, they did a retraction and apology because they were fed false information, perhaps by the Secretary of State’s office, and they were angry about it! The Election in Georgia was RIGGED AND STOLEN. We have all the evidence needed. That is the CRIME!",
">\n\nHoly shit, he's still spouting the same bullshit he did from day one?",
">\n\nThis jackass hasn't changed his tune in years. It's the same dribble of bullshit.",
">\n\nEverything he is doing and say are actually working, Until proven otherwise.",
">\n\nNot really. He's no longer useful and the right wing media machine that brought him his throngs of worshippers is starting to steer clear of him, even acknowledging they want to move on from Trump. Yes, he still holds sway over his biggliest sycophantic devotees, but it's clear that he's a lost cause to everyone else who even has a toe in reality. The S.S. Trumpanic is starting to take on water, no matter how much he denies there is an iceberg.",
">\n\nHe got to live a lavish lifestyle and became president of the United States, Attempted to overthrow the US and Still out playing golf. Heck his financial guy went to prison for him and his lawyer dropped on a sword for him. \nThe ship might be sinking, He'll die an old life peacefully. Before his feet even touch water.",
">\n\nYou mean the details like the absolutely open and shut proof in the phone call everyone on earth already heard?",
">\n\nThe Georgia investigation's scope is much wider than just the Raffensperger call. The Special Grand Jury was looking into \"multi-state, coordinated efforts to influence the results of the November 2020 elections in Georgia and elsewhere\" and included other calls and attempts to pressure state and local officials (by Trump and by others), the Georgia fake electors, I think some financial crimes, false statements made to the Georgia legislature, intimidation of poll workers, etc. \nThe call itself isn't as open and shut as it seems on the surface, either. The Georgia law re: solicitation of election fraud requires proof of criminal intent. It's the prosecution's burden to prove that Trump meant \"fabricate votes out of thin air\" when he technically said \"find the existing votes that were made and/or discarded illegally, resulting in the election being stolen from me.\" \n(You don't have to argue with me: I know what he really meant just as well as you and everyone else does, but proving it beyond a reasonable doubt in court is a different matter). \nIf even part of the jury thinks Trump may have genuinely believed the election was stolen and he was defrauded of hundreds of thousands of votes in Georgia, then he can't be convicted of willful solicitation of election fraud. I wouldn't want to be the prosecutor who has to prove Trump didn't believe a conspiracy theory. \nI think the House Committee's case did a great deal to demonstrate that Trump knew the conspiracy theories were false, but I haven't looked closely enough to see whether there's enough to show he knew at the time of the phone call which will be essential to the prosecution.",
">\n\n\nI think that's a much weaker argument for the defense than you're making it out to be. \n\nI think it's much weaker now than it was a year or two ago. With the evidence we know now, I think the defense I described is likely to lose. That's why I'm glad the various investigations have taken their time to gather a preponderance of evidence instead of prosecuting 2 years ago when everyone on Reddit said \"it's open and shut, just play the phone call and it's over!\" \n\nIt doesn't matter what Trump thinks.\n\nIt does though. The words \"knowingly\" and \"willfully\" count for a lot in the law. If the defense is able to convince a jury that Trump really believed he was asking Raffensperger to find and count genuine discarded votes and not just fabricate a number, then he did not solicit election fraud, and he cannot be convicted of it, no matter how boneheaded his belief was. Fortunately I think his case for this has seriously weakened with time and evidence and this defense is not likely to succeed at this point.",
">\n\nThe law in question is not \"going outside appropriate channels,\" the law in question is \"criminal solicitation of election fraud.\" If his intention were for Raffensperger to \"find\" existing votes that had been discarded, and not to fabricate a false vote count, then he did not solicit Raffensperger to commit a felony. \nI agree with you, of course he was wrong and guilty as fuck, and of course he knew he was lying on that phone call. I'm not defending Trump here, I'm just explaining a challenge involved in prosecuting this particular law.",
">\n\nListen, we're splitting the hairs of a hypothetical defense. I agree fully with you that Trump committed criminal solicitation of election fraud. And I think the context and the current evidence is enough to overcome an argument to the contrary. \nBut if Trump had gone \"outside of the appropriate channels\" to ask an official to find and count fraudulently discarded ballots, this would not be solicitation of election fraud, because the official finding and counting fraudulently discarded ballots would not be election fraud. His approach would be inappropriate and it might merit charges related to intimidation, etc., but it would not be criminal solicitation of election fraud. That's all I'm saying. \nWith only the call transcript/recording as evidence, two years ago, this could have been a genuine obstacle to prosecution. A surmountable obstacle, but not a sure thing. Now, because of the diligence of two years of investigations, there is (what I believe to be) a preponderance of evidence which destroys any argument that his intent was innocent or ambiguous.",
">\n\nFani's gonna get Ya!",
">\n\nBig Fat gonna be hot 🥵",
">\n\nHow about you put the traitor in prison for life? I'd like the details on that one.",
">\n\nI would just be happy f I never heard his voice, saw his face or had to read about that guy ever again. He single handedly ruin America.",
">\n\nWe probably will not see much of this report, if any, until charging decisions are reached with the regular grand jury.\nProsecutors aren't going to want specifics divulged to a potential defense or a media reaction if they can avoid it.",
">\n\nPeople worship this serial liar crybaby dunce. Still blows my mind",
">\n\nI don’t think the read Reuter’s, probably too busy watching Newsmax.",
">\n\nI care about an indictment, I can wait for details until the trial. We know much of what happened already with the J6 proceedings and prior reporting. An indictment would be big, many people, good people, maybe the best people, are saying it would be YUUGE.",
">\n\nWhat do you think will be first the trial or the moon landing?",
">\n\nEveryone knows he's a criminal. \nReleasing more info that everyone already knows won't do anything.\nThe DOJ needs to prosecute him now.",
">\n\nThis is the Georgia grand jury, not the DOJ investigation.",
">\n\nThe DOJ needs to prosecute him now.",
">\n\nSure, but that's probably better for a comment section concerning the DOJ.",
">\n\nsigh... throw it in the Could Bin",
">\n\nI am beginning to think nothing will happen for this, or any of the other investigations.",
">\n\nCops, including the fbi, are maga.",
">\n\n\"Could\" is not news",
">\n\nOr when they write “may” or my favorite “people raft to…” total clickbait.",
">\n\nAnd nothing will be done.",
">\n\nTrump will probably be indicted here unless Fani drops the prosecution against him. I know that's an easy thing to doubt after all these years, but I just don't see her dropping it. Things have gone too far to turn back and Trump can't afford any of the executive protections he once enjoyed, especially in a state investigation.\nShe spent almost a year subpoenaing the entire Georgia government, U.S. Congressmembers - and informed 16 fake electors, the head of the GA GOP, and Rudy Giuliani that they are criminal targets. She is also notoriously aggressive and unapologetic. \nCharges being weighed include election fraud, conspiracy, oath of office violations, racketeering and other offenses.\nIt would be shocking and mark her legacy if she went this far and didn't proceed against the investigation's obvious target, especially something that has such historical ramifications.\nAnd obtaining an indictment is not particularly difficult at this point. Only 12 out of up to 23 grand jurors need to vote to return it, and the bar is quite low - nothing like conviction. It's essentially \"there is probable cause from the evidence provided and a trial is needed to determine guilt.”\nSo - I think all roads lead to Trump getting charged here. But the place to remain skeptical and cynical is a trial and conviction. We still have a long ways to go and Trump still may never be held accountable, even if charged.",
">\n\nThe order of likelihood for both charges and conviction are: \n\n\nThe classified documents case \n\n\nThe Georgia case \n\n\nThe January 6th case \n\n\nThe docs case is pretty open and shut, I just think they're trying to determine how bad it is, which may have been difficult since he put up resistance (obstruction), which itself was a crime, and now it's complicated by Biden's docs situation. \nI don't see this whole Georgia being being tossed aside - at least someone close to trump will get some charges, but man - that call was ridiculously obvious. \nThe J6 case is being made by the seditious conspiracy convictions, and almost all that remains is the people at the very top.",
">\n\nIt could be complicated by Biden’s docs situation, if people aren’t doing their fucking jobs, but that really should not complicate anything. If Trump broke the law, enforce it. If Biden broke the law, enforce it. The law clearly makes sense, we don’t need to repeal it, so just fucking enforce it!\nThe circumstances are clearly vastly different, and that should probably affect how they’re responded to. If anyone doesn’t like that, the response from prosecutors should be “Ok, I don’t give a shit about your feelings.”",
">\n\nThe only way it should theoretically complicate Trump's docs case is that it would come down to 12 jurors' understanding of our judicial system, which Trump's lawyers, I'm sure, would soil a bit to ensure they understand that it's no big deal and thus, not really a crime: \"See? It's not such a big deal and happens all the time! Even Biden \n and Pence did it!\" \nFellow citizens have proven how dumb and susceptible they are, so that's what I meant by complicated, since the DOJ would have to build their prosecution with that in mind.",
">\n\nWe have the right to know.",
">\n\nSure, but I'd rather it come out as part of the trial.",
">\n\nI realize with trumps money and knowledge of misuse of our legal system this will take time but, Just do something, anything, please. How long must this go on?",
">\n\nBased on prior outcomes, a few peons get thrown under the bus and the principals skate.",
">\n\nDetails are nice, but let's have some indictments and arrests.",
">\n\nfani willis basically just said this should be kept secret to be fair to future defendants based on the contents, pretty much saying that charges WILL be coming",
">\n\nYeah, everyone is talking a good game. However, I think most of us will only believe it when we see it.",
">\n\nI really doubt it. Mainly because the DA asked for it not to be.",
">\n\nRight? No reason to hide the inevitable. I am thinking no incitements now, but maybe they can use the testimony in a Federal case if anyone every decides to actually do something.",
">\n\nWe heard the phone call over two fucking years ago. \nI am so sick of this shit. Every time this criminal doesn't get charged it's an indictment of the US justice system.",
">\n\ndownvote anything with \"could\" \"should\" \"maybe\" \"might\" in the headline.",
">\n\n\nThe final report from a Georgia grand jury investigating then-President Donald Trump's efforts to overturn his defeat in the state's 2020 election could soon be publicly released, depending on the outcome of a Tuesday court hearing.",
">\n\nIt will make jury selection much more difficult. Easier for trump to claim a trial in DC would be prejudiced because FL people are much less likely to have been exposed to it, only having watched Fox News, and thus his supporters.",
">\n\nTrial would be in Georgia, since this would be state charges against him",
">\n\nOops! You're right. I was thinking documents. It's hard to keep up.",
">\n\nMerrick Garland is bracing himself to do nothing. It will take much resolve and patience, but no one can do nothing like Merrick. Every day, he demonstrates the resolve of great leaders like Neville Chamberlain and King Louis XVI.",
">\n\nI think James Buchanan is a good comp here, they both coddled an insurrection and invited more.",
">\n\nMore info beyond \"hey could you find me some more votes that could accidentally fall out of this envelope of money I just set on your desk\"",
">\n\nWhy could be?",
">\n\nCould…",
">\n\nLike I know it’s joked about a lot, but does he not look conspicuously orange??",
">\n\nTrump is bleeding… bleeding…. And bleeding.",
">\n\nAnother \"could be\" piece. Nothing ever definite. We all saw this as it was happening.",
">\n\nYou don’t have to wait.. he just asked whoever picked up the phone in Georgia to find him 12k votes.",
">\n\nSo, no indictment? Figures.",
">\n\nIts debatable. Da wants it delayed it sounds like. But not stopped.",
">\n\nSo frustrating. Seems like there are literally no consequences for anything.",
">\n\nDo it",
">\n\nhurry up already!",
">\n\nI'd say keep the details under wraps. Don't want to be accused of tainting the jury pool. Give him a completely fair trial and let all the details out in court. Prevent an appeal.",
">\n\nNot yet",
">\n\nFunny to see this article immediately after reading an article about the Georgia DA WILL NOT BE MAKING THIS PUBLIC.",
">\n\nLol ever since he announced he was gonna run again the anti trump stuff has been in full force, it’s weird they kinda sorta turned in joe too. Why is America controlled by clowns",
">\n\nI feel like all these publications are an attempt to slowly condition his little yet unstable group of remaining supporters into understanding he will be imprisoned. Jan6 committee have concluded, they’ll definitely convict him for it. No other way in my mind.",
">\n\nYes this. Nothing sticks though it's kinda crazy.",
">\n\nEverything he was planning on doing was already shown. We heard the phone call…",
">\n\nWhen?",
">\n\nWon’t happen. And if it did, there will be no consequences.",
">\n\nHow can any lawyer work for this guy? He never shuts up.",
">\n\nGo, Fani, go!!!",
">\n\nDon’t we have the audio of him asking to find 10,000 votes? What else do you need?",
">\n\n“Could be” - articles like this are worthless.",
">\n\nWith all these investigations, grand juries, special counsels; did anyone calculate how much he has costed the American tax payers financially for all this?",
">\n\nNothing will happen",
">\n\nAnd will be met with a collective yawn.",
">\n\nDoesn’t matter when there are zero consequences."
] |
Reinsurers, who insure the insurers
We need to go deeper.
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>
Who insures the Reinsurers?
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper."
] |
>
A giant turtle.
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?"
] |
>
When did mitch McConnell start an insurance company?
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?",
">\n\nA giant turtle."
] |
>
I think he looks more like an oyster crossed with a groundhog
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?",
">\n\nA giant turtle.",
">\n\nWhen did mitch McConnell start an insurance company?"
] |
>
I wonder if this will affect Russian private insurers who cover Russian private business and leisure travel to foreign destinations.
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?",
">\n\nA giant turtle.",
">\n\nWhen did mitch McConnell start an insurance company?",
">\n\nI think he looks more like an oyster crossed with a groundhog"
] |
>
Those insurers buy reinsurance, so yes.
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?",
">\n\nA giant turtle.",
">\n\nWhen did mitch McConnell start an insurance company?",
">\n\nI think he looks more like an oyster crossed with a groundhog",
">\n\nI wonder if this will affect Russian private insurers who cover Russian private business and leisure travel to foreign destinations."
] |
>
Aren't they already excused because of the "act of war" clause?
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?",
">\n\nA giant turtle.",
">\n\nWhen did mitch McConnell start an insurance company?",
">\n\nI think he looks more like an oyster crossed with a groundhog",
">\n\nI wonder if this will affect Russian private insurers who cover Russian private business and leisure travel to foreign destinations.",
">\n\nThose insurers buy reinsurance, so yes."
] |
>
No, international ship insurance covers unanticipated acts of war and/or piracy. The problem is that when you've got a full-blown war with attacks on shipping in a specific area, the amount of losses exceeds what insurers can tolerate, so they'll either cancel coverage in that specific region, or significantly increase fees for coverage in that region.
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?",
">\n\nA giant turtle.",
">\n\nWhen did mitch McConnell start an insurance company?",
">\n\nI think he looks more like an oyster crossed with a groundhog",
">\n\nI wonder if this will affect Russian private insurers who cover Russian private business and leisure travel to foreign destinations.",
">\n\nThose insurers buy reinsurance, so yes.",
">\n\nAren't they already excused because of the \"act of war\" clause?"
] |
>
War surcharge will go up to a few hundreds.
Nothing will change
The lines servicing that area will make beaucoup bucks
Source: was in shipping servicing Syria when all hell broke loose. Went from great money to mad money.
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?",
">\n\nA giant turtle.",
">\n\nWhen did mitch McConnell start an insurance company?",
">\n\nI think he looks more like an oyster crossed with a groundhog",
">\n\nI wonder if this will affect Russian private insurers who cover Russian private business and leisure travel to foreign destinations.",
">\n\nThose insurers buy reinsurance, so yes.",
">\n\nAren't they already excused because of the \"act of war\" clause?",
">\n\nNo, international ship insurance covers unanticipated acts of war and/or piracy. The problem is that when you've got a full-blown war with attacks on shipping in a specific area, the amount of losses exceeds what insurers can tolerate, so they'll either cancel coverage in that specific region, or significantly increase fees for coverage in that region."
] |
>
So, it's essentially like flood insurance if you live in a floodplain then?
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?",
">\n\nA giant turtle.",
">\n\nWhen did mitch McConnell start an insurance company?",
">\n\nI think he looks more like an oyster crossed with a groundhog",
">\n\nI wonder if this will affect Russian private insurers who cover Russian private business and leisure travel to foreign destinations.",
">\n\nThose insurers buy reinsurance, so yes.",
">\n\nAren't they already excused because of the \"act of war\" clause?",
">\n\nNo, international ship insurance covers unanticipated acts of war and/or piracy. The problem is that when you've got a full-blown war with attacks on shipping in a specific area, the amount of losses exceeds what insurers can tolerate, so they'll either cancel coverage in that specific region, or significantly increase fees for coverage in that region.",
">\n\nWar surcharge will go up to a few hundreds.\nNothing will change\nThe lines servicing that area will make beaucoup bucks\nSource: was in shipping servicing Syria when all hell broke loose. Went from great money to mad money."
] |
>
This is how all insurance works. Health insurance for a smoker will be higher for example.
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?",
">\n\nA giant turtle.",
">\n\nWhen did mitch McConnell start an insurance company?",
">\n\nI think he looks more like an oyster crossed with a groundhog",
">\n\nI wonder if this will affect Russian private insurers who cover Russian private business and leisure travel to foreign destinations.",
">\n\nThose insurers buy reinsurance, so yes.",
">\n\nAren't they already excused because of the \"act of war\" clause?",
">\n\nNo, international ship insurance covers unanticipated acts of war and/or piracy. The problem is that when you've got a full-blown war with attacks on shipping in a specific area, the amount of losses exceeds what insurers can tolerate, so they'll either cancel coverage in that specific region, or significantly increase fees for coverage in that region.",
">\n\nWar surcharge will go up to a few hundreds.\nNothing will change\nThe lines servicing that area will make beaucoup bucks\nSource: was in shipping servicing Syria when all hell broke loose. Went from great money to mad money.",
">\n\nSo, it's essentially like flood insurance if you live in a floodplain then?"
] |
>
People are burning their own properties in Russia to collect insurance because the economy is sucking. Will get worse. Would you insure anything there?
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?",
">\n\nA giant turtle.",
">\n\nWhen did mitch McConnell start an insurance company?",
">\n\nI think he looks more like an oyster crossed with a groundhog",
">\n\nI wonder if this will affect Russian private insurers who cover Russian private business and leisure travel to foreign destinations.",
">\n\nThose insurers buy reinsurance, so yes.",
">\n\nAren't they already excused because of the \"act of war\" clause?",
">\n\nNo, international ship insurance covers unanticipated acts of war and/or piracy. The problem is that when you've got a full-blown war with attacks on shipping in a specific area, the amount of losses exceeds what insurers can tolerate, so they'll either cancel coverage in that specific region, or significantly increase fees for coverage in that region.",
">\n\nWar surcharge will go up to a few hundreds.\nNothing will change\nThe lines servicing that area will make beaucoup bucks\nSource: was in shipping servicing Syria when all hell broke loose. Went from great money to mad money.",
">\n\nSo, it's essentially like flood insurance if you live in a floodplain then?",
">\n\nThis is how all insurance works. Health insurance for a smoker will be higher for example."
] |
>
Yes. Adjust your risk models and charge the appropriate premiums.
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?",
">\n\nA giant turtle.",
">\n\nWhen did mitch McConnell start an insurance company?",
">\n\nI think he looks more like an oyster crossed with a groundhog",
">\n\nI wonder if this will affect Russian private insurers who cover Russian private business and leisure travel to foreign destinations.",
">\n\nThose insurers buy reinsurance, so yes.",
">\n\nAren't they already excused because of the \"act of war\" clause?",
">\n\nNo, international ship insurance covers unanticipated acts of war and/or piracy. The problem is that when you've got a full-blown war with attacks on shipping in a specific area, the amount of losses exceeds what insurers can tolerate, so they'll either cancel coverage in that specific region, or significantly increase fees for coverage in that region.",
">\n\nWar surcharge will go up to a few hundreds.\nNothing will change\nThe lines servicing that area will make beaucoup bucks\nSource: was in shipping servicing Syria when all hell broke loose. Went from great money to mad money.",
">\n\nSo, it's essentially like flood insurance if you live in a floodplain then?",
">\n\nThis is how all insurance works. Health insurance for a smoker will be higher for example.",
">\n\nPeople are burning their own properties in Russia to collect insurance because the economy is sucking. Will get worse. Would you insure anything there?"
] |
>
On what currency? Its rate changes too fast.
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?",
">\n\nA giant turtle.",
">\n\nWhen did mitch McConnell start an insurance company?",
">\n\nI think he looks more like an oyster crossed with a groundhog",
">\n\nI wonder if this will affect Russian private insurers who cover Russian private business and leisure travel to foreign destinations.",
">\n\nThose insurers buy reinsurance, so yes.",
">\n\nAren't they already excused because of the \"act of war\" clause?",
">\n\nNo, international ship insurance covers unanticipated acts of war and/or piracy. The problem is that when you've got a full-blown war with attacks on shipping in a specific area, the amount of losses exceeds what insurers can tolerate, so they'll either cancel coverage in that specific region, or significantly increase fees for coverage in that region.",
">\n\nWar surcharge will go up to a few hundreds.\nNothing will change\nThe lines servicing that area will make beaucoup bucks\nSource: was in shipping servicing Syria when all hell broke loose. Went from great money to mad money.",
">\n\nSo, it's essentially like flood insurance if you live in a floodplain then?",
">\n\nThis is how all insurance works. Health insurance for a smoker will be higher for example.",
">\n\nPeople are burning their own properties in Russia to collect insurance because the economy is sucking. Will get worse. Would you insure anything there?",
">\n\nYes. Adjust your risk models and charge the appropriate premiums."
] |
>
|
[
"Reinsurers, who insure the insurers\n\nWe need to go deeper.",
">\n\nWho insures the Reinsurers?",
">\n\nA giant turtle.",
">\n\nWhen did mitch McConnell start an insurance company?",
">\n\nI think he looks more like an oyster crossed with a groundhog",
">\n\nI wonder if this will affect Russian private insurers who cover Russian private business and leisure travel to foreign destinations.",
">\n\nThose insurers buy reinsurance, so yes.",
">\n\nAren't they already excused because of the \"act of war\" clause?",
">\n\nNo, international ship insurance covers unanticipated acts of war and/or piracy. The problem is that when you've got a full-blown war with attacks on shipping in a specific area, the amount of losses exceeds what insurers can tolerate, so they'll either cancel coverage in that specific region, or significantly increase fees for coverage in that region.",
">\n\nWar surcharge will go up to a few hundreds.\nNothing will change\nThe lines servicing that area will make beaucoup bucks\nSource: was in shipping servicing Syria when all hell broke loose. Went from great money to mad money.",
">\n\nSo, it's essentially like flood insurance if you live in a floodplain then?",
">\n\nThis is how all insurance works. Health insurance for a smoker will be higher for example.",
">\n\nPeople are burning their own properties in Russia to collect insurance because the economy is sucking. Will get worse. Would you insure anything there?",
">\n\nYes. Adjust your risk models and charge the appropriate premiums.",
">\n\nOn what currency? Its rate changes too fast."
] |
Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.
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>
She should send him a Christmas card every year.
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things."
] |
>
Send him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year."
] |
>
Love, Brandon
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe."
] |
>
Just another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.
Why only 20 years, ain't long enough.
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon"
] |
>
How weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.
The rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough."
] |
>
FAFO 2022 edition.
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass"
] |
>
Why not just say 19
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition."
] |
>
one of trump's soldiers.
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19"
] |
>
Jmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo
Good riddance to the traitor and filth.
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers."
] |
>
One down 30 million to go .
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers.",
">\n\nJmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo\nGood riddance to the traitor and filth."
] |
>
19 years, just say it.
Fucking stupid headline.
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers.",
">\n\nJmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo\nGood riddance to the traitor and filth.",
">\n\nOne down 30 million to go ."
] |
>
To be made an example of.
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers.",
">\n\nJmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo\nGood riddance to the traitor and filth.",
">\n\nOne down 30 million to go .",
">\n\n19 years, just say it. \nFucking stupid headline."
] |
>
LoL damn idiots.
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers.",
">\n\nJmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo\nGood riddance to the traitor and filth.",
">\n\nOne down 30 million to go .",
">\n\n19 years, just say it. \nFucking stupid headline.",
">\n\nTo be made an example of."
] |
>
Do we really have to pay to incarcerate this chuckle head for 20 years? It’s probably the smart thing but I can’t help but think if a dad had pulled him aside at some point in the past and told him to stop being a moron we wouldn’t be here today.
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers.",
">\n\nJmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo\nGood riddance to the traitor and filth.",
">\n\nOne down 30 million to go .",
">\n\n19 years, just say it. \nFucking stupid headline.",
">\n\nTo be made an example of.",
">\n\nLoL damn idiots."
] |
>
“You’re honor I never used the bomb I was planning to explode. No one was in danger!”
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers.",
">\n\nJmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo\nGood riddance to the traitor and filth.",
">\n\nOne down 30 million to go .",
">\n\n19 years, just say it. \nFucking stupid headline.",
">\n\nTo be made an example of.",
">\n\nLoL damn idiots.",
">\n\nDo we really have to pay to incarcerate this chuckle head for 20 years? It’s probably the smart thing but I can’t help but think if a dad had pulled him aside at some point in the past and told him to stop being a moron we wouldn’t be here today."
] |
>
Can you provide credible links to info that supports your claim? If agents were undercover they were not part of the plot.
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers.",
">\n\nJmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo\nGood riddance to the traitor and filth.",
">\n\nOne down 30 million to go .",
">\n\n19 years, just say it. \nFucking stupid headline.",
">\n\nTo be made an example of.",
">\n\nLoL damn idiots.",
">\n\nDo we really have to pay to incarcerate this chuckle head for 20 years? It’s probably the smart thing but I can’t help but think if a dad had pulled him aside at some point in the past and told him to stop being a moron we wouldn’t be here today.",
">\n\n“You’re honor I never used the bomb I was planning to explode. No one was in danger!”"
] |
>
You are citing claims of defense attorneys! They will say anything to get their clients off. It's their JOB! The defendants got their trials. They got to present their defense claims. They were convicted regardless. GUILTY! Off to jail!
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers.",
">\n\nJmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo\nGood riddance to the traitor and filth.",
">\n\nOne down 30 million to go .",
">\n\n19 years, just say it. \nFucking stupid headline.",
">\n\nTo be made an example of.",
">\n\nLoL damn idiots.",
">\n\nDo we really have to pay to incarcerate this chuckle head for 20 years? It’s probably the smart thing but I can’t help but think if a dad had pulled him aside at some point in the past and told him to stop being a moron we wouldn’t be here today.",
">\n\n“You’re honor I never used the bomb I was planning to explode. No one was in danger!”",
">\n\nCan you provide credible links to info that supports your claim? If agents were undercover they were not part of the plot."
] |
>
Are you disagreeing with what I posted? Do you have a valid rebuttal?
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers.",
">\n\nJmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo\nGood riddance to the traitor and filth.",
">\n\nOne down 30 million to go .",
">\n\n19 years, just say it. \nFucking stupid headline.",
">\n\nTo be made an example of.",
">\n\nLoL damn idiots.",
">\n\nDo we really have to pay to incarcerate this chuckle head for 20 years? It’s probably the smart thing but I can’t help but think if a dad had pulled him aside at some point in the past and told him to stop being a moron we wouldn’t be here today.",
">\n\n“You’re honor I never used the bomb I was planning to explode. No one was in danger!”",
">\n\nCan you provide credible links to info that supports your claim? If agents were undercover they were not part of the plot.",
">\n\nYou are citing claims of defense attorneys! They will say anything to get their clients off. It's their JOB! The defendants got their trials. They got to present their defense claims. They were convicted regardless. GUILTY! Off to jail!"
] |
>
I’m confused didn’t a jury rule that this was entrapment all a long a few months ago
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers.",
">\n\nJmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo\nGood riddance to the traitor and filth.",
">\n\nOne down 30 million to go .",
">\n\n19 years, just say it. \nFucking stupid headline.",
">\n\nTo be made an example of.",
">\n\nLoL damn idiots.",
">\n\nDo we really have to pay to incarcerate this chuckle head for 20 years? It’s probably the smart thing but I can’t help but think if a dad had pulled him aside at some point in the past and told him to stop being a moron we wouldn’t be here today.",
">\n\n“You’re honor I never used the bomb I was planning to explode. No one was in danger!”",
">\n\nCan you provide credible links to info that supports your claim? If agents were undercover they were not part of the plot.",
">\n\nYou are citing claims of defense attorneys! They will say anything to get their clients off. It's their JOB! The defendants got their trials. They got to present their defense claims. They were convicted regardless. GUILTY! Off to jail!",
">\n\nAre you disagreeing with what I posted? Do you have a valid rebuttal?"
] |
>
That's news to me.
Not sure how it's entrapment. I mean, could you see yourself being tricked by the FBI into admitting you planned to kidnap a United States governor, when you were totally innocent?
The FBI didn't just randomly pick some dudes in Michigan and say "Hey...let's trick them into telling us they want to kidnap the governor!"
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers.",
">\n\nJmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo\nGood riddance to the traitor and filth.",
">\n\nOne down 30 million to go .",
">\n\n19 years, just say it. \nFucking stupid headline.",
">\n\nTo be made an example of.",
">\n\nLoL damn idiots.",
">\n\nDo we really have to pay to incarcerate this chuckle head for 20 years? It’s probably the smart thing but I can’t help but think if a dad had pulled him aside at some point in the past and told him to stop being a moron we wouldn’t be here today.",
">\n\n“You’re honor I never used the bomb I was planning to explode. No one was in danger!”",
">\n\nCan you provide credible links to info that supports your claim? If agents were undercover they were not part of the plot.",
">\n\nYou are citing claims of defense attorneys! They will say anything to get their clients off. It's their JOB! The defendants got their trials. They got to present their defense claims. They were convicted regardless. GUILTY! Off to jail!",
">\n\nAre you disagreeing with what I posted? Do you have a valid rebuttal?",
">\n\nI’m confused didn’t a jury rule that this was entrapment all a long a few months ago"
] |
>
Why am I getting downvoted lol I don’t agree with these I just remember in April a verdict came out where 4 members of this group were acquitted because it was ruled as entrapment I just want to know how theses guys got charged with something I’m just curious
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[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers.",
">\n\nJmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo\nGood riddance to the traitor and filth.",
">\n\nOne down 30 million to go .",
">\n\n19 years, just say it. \nFucking stupid headline.",
">\n\nTo be made an example of.",
">\n\nLoL damn idiots.",
">\n\nDo we really have to pay to incarcerate this chuckle head for 20 years? It’s probably the smart thing but I can’t help but think if a dad had pulled him aside at some point in the past and told him to stop being a moron we wouldn’t be here today.",
">\n\n“You’re honor I never used the bomb I was planning to explode. No one was in danger!”",
">\n\nCan you provide credible links to info that supports your claim? If agents were undercover they were not part of the plot.",
">\n\nYou are citing claims of defense attorneys! They will say anything to get their clients off. It's their JOB! The defendants got their trials. They got to present their defense claims. They were convicted regardless. GUILTY! Off to jail!",
">\n\nAre you disagreeing with what I posted? Do you have a valid rebuttal?",
">\n\nI’m confused didn’t a jury rule that this was entrapment all a long a few months ago",
">\n\nThat's news to me.\nNot sure how it's entrapment. I mean, could you see yourself being tricked by the FBI into admitting you planned to kidnap a United States governor, when you were totally innocent?\nThe FBI didn't just randomly pick some dudes in Michigan and say \"Hey...let's trick them into telling us they want to kidnap the governor!\""
] |
>
|
[
"Believe hes charged with more than just kidnapping. Its important to highlight that hes going in for that long because of planning to commit terrorist acts. We cant sugar coat these things.",
">\n\nShe should send him a Christmas card every year.",
">\n\nSend him a “Happy Holidays” card to ensure maximum seethe.",
">\n\nLove, Brandon",
">\n\nJust another republican traitor to the USA sent right to where he belongs.\nWhy only 20 years, ain't long enough.",
">\n\nHow weak minded to ruin your life over such trivial misinformation nonsense.\nThe rest of us will somehow carry on without your insignificant traitor ass",
">\n\nFAFO 2022 edition.",
">\n\nWhy not just say 19",
">\n\none of trump's soldiers.",
">\n\nJmo, I hope I live long enough to see her run as a president jmo\nGood riddance to the traitor and filth.",
">\n\nOne down 30 million to go .",
">\n\n19 years, just say it. \nFucking stupid headline.",
">\n\nTo be made an example of.",
">\n\nLoL damn idiots.",
">\n\nDo we really have to pay to incarcerate this chuckle head for 20 years? It’s probably the smart thing but I can’t help but think if a dad had pulled him aside at some point in the past and told him to stop being a moron we wouldn’t be here today.",
">\n\n“You’re honor I never used the bomb I was planning to explode. No one was in danger!”",
">\n\nCan you provide credible links to info that supports your claim? If agents were undercover they were not part of the plot.",
">\n\nYou are citing claims of defense attorneys! They will say anything to get their clients off. It's their JOB! The defendants got their trials. They got to present their defense claims. They were convicted regardless. GUILTY! Off to jail!",
">\n\nAre you disagreeing with what I posted? Do you have a valid rebuttal?",
">\n\nI’m confused didn’t a jury rule that this was entrapment all a long a few months ago",
">\n\nThat's news to me.\nNot sure how it's entrapment. I mean, could you see yourself being tricked by the FBI into admitting you planned to kidnap a United States governor, when you were totally innocent?\nThe FBI didn't just randomly pick some dudes in Michigan and say \"Hey...let's trick them into telling us they want to kidnap the governor!\"",
">\n\nWhy am I getting downvoted lol I don’t agree with these I just remember in April a verdict came out where 4 members of this group were acquitted because it was ruled as entrapment I just want to know how theses guys got charged with something I’m just curious"
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I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February
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I agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest
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"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February"
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sleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.
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"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest"
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I am very owned by their freezing
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[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs."
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>
No one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.
Holy shit would I ever feel owned.
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[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing"
] |
>
This guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.
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[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned."
] |
>
This guy can't even articulate what they are protesting
It's the ethic of total retaliation:
"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.
Studs Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”
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[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing."
] |
>
but these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s)
They're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.
It's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.
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[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”"
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I think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.
We didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......
The analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the "rust belt"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....
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[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government."
] |
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We didn't see any of this in the post war period
The stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse....."
] |
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Bauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.
So, you would think they would work that out before...but no
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948."
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It's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and "trust the plan"
That way followers can make up their own reason for being there.
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[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no"
] |
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Owning libs is its own reward, apparently.
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[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there."
] |
>
Huh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently."
] |
>
Another round of Ram Ranch!
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are...."
] |
>
Prediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!"
] |
>
And someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles."
] |
>
“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs."
] |
>
world unity convoy
Will they be singing "The Internationale"?
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”"
] |
>
Uniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.
Keep them locked in their parents' basements please.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?"
] |
>
wow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please."
] |
>
Why wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it"
] |
>
Makes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards."
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Back on that sweet sweet grift
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂"
] |
>
Unity? As they yell out racial slurs.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift"
] |
>
Self radicalized blowhards.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs."
] |
>
Why does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards."
] |
>
So they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society"
] |
>
There's a similarity to the earlier "occupy" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the "heckler's veto" made the "occupy" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?"
] |
>
waiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy."
] |
>
Why in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year"
] |
>
Haven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit"
] |
>
I mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?"
] |
>
Determined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?"
] |
>
I hope they freeze out there.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?",
">\n\nDetermined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is."
] |
>
This is just humiliating. Go away already.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?",
">\n\nDetermined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is.",
">\n\nI hope they freeze out there."
] |
>
As if they can ever be taken seriously anymore…
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?",
">\n\nDetermined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is.",
">\n\nI hope they freeze out there.",
">\n\nThis is just humiliating. Go away already."
] |
>
I wonder what they will be protesting there.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?",
">\n\nDetermined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is.",
">\n\nI hope they freeze out there.",
">\n\nThis is just humiliating. Go away already.",
">\n\nAs if they can ever be taken seriously anymore…"
] |
>
No offence to the lovely people of Winnipeg, but the Govt should just send all of these assholes to Winnipeg in Feb. Let them sleep in tents and trucks for a couple weeks. It is stupidly cold in Feb in Winnipeg. Might be a great deterrent!
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?",
">\n\nDetermined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is.",
">\n\nI hope they freeze out there.",
">\n\nThis is just humiliating. Go away already.",
">\n\nAs if they can ever be taken seriously anymore…",
">\n\nI wonder what they will be protesting there."
] |
>
I hope they are met with tow trucks and civil forfeiture notices.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?",
">\n\nDetermined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is.",
">\n\nI hope they freeze out there.",
">\n\nThis is just humiliating. Go away already.",
">\n\nAs if they can ever be taken seriously anymore…",
">\n\nI wonder what they will be protesting there.",
">\n\nNo offence to the lovely people of Winnipeg, but the Govt should just send all of these assholes to Winnipeg in Feb. Let them sleep in tents and trucks for a couple weeks. It is stupidly cold in Feb in Winnipeg. Might be a great deterrent!"
] |
>
They mean world bigotry convoy.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?",
">\n\nDetermined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is.",
">\n\nI hope they freeze out there.",
">\n\nThis is just humiliating. Go away already.",
">\n\nAs if they can ever be taken seriously anymore…",
">\n\nI wonder what they will be protesting there.",
">\n\nNo offence to the lovely people of Winnipeg, but the Govt should just send all of these assholes to Winnipeg in Feb. Let them sleep in tents and trucks for a couple weeks. It is stupidly cold in Feb in Winnipeg. Might be a great deterrent!",
">\n\nI hope they are met with tow trucks and civil forfeiture notices."
] |
>
they would have a better chance pooling all their money to lobby.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?",
">\n\nDetermined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is.",
">\n\nI hope they freeze out there.",
">\n\nThis is just humiliating. Go away already.",
">\n\nAs if they can ever be taken seriously anymore…",
">\n\nI wonder what they will be protesting there.",
">\n\nNo offence to the lovely people of Winnipeg, but the Govt should just send all of these assholes to Winnipeg in Feb. Let them sleep in tents and trucks for a couple weeks. It is stupidly cold in Feb in Winnipeg. Might be a great deterrent!",
">\n\nI hope they are met with tow trucks and civil forfeiture notices.",
">\n\nThey mean world bigotry convoy."
] |
>
Make sure you guys in Winnipeg buy your gallons of gas and put sugar in them early
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?",
">\n\nDetermined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is.",
">\n\nI hope they freeze out there.",
">\n\nThis is just humiliating. Go away already.",
">\n\nAs if they can ever be taken seriously anymore…",
">\n\nI wonder what they will be protesting there.",
">\n\nNo offence to the lovely people of Winnipeg, but the Govt should just send all of these assholes to Winnipeg in Feb. Let them sleep in tents and trucks for a couple weeks. It is stupidly cold in Feb in Winnipeg. Might be a great deterrent!",
">\n\nI hope they are met with tow trucks and civil forfeiture notices.",
">\n\nThey mean world bigotry convoy.",
">\n\nthey would have a better chance pooling all their money to lobby."
] |
>
I hear Red River is great place to park trucks in Winnipeg. Just don't tell these dudes they should move them off the river before spring.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?",
">\n\nDetermined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is.",
">\n\nI hope they freeze out there.",
">\n\nThis is just humiliating. Go away already.",
">\n\nAs if they can ever be taken seriously anymore…",
">\n\nI wonder what they will be protesting there.",
">\n\nNo offence to the lovely people of Winnipeg, but the Govt should just send all of these assholes to Winnipeg in Feb. Let them sleep in tents and trucks for a couple weeks. It is stupidly cold in Feb in Winnipeg. Might be a great deterrent!",
">\n\nI hope they are met with tow trucks and civil forfeiture notices.",
">\n\nThey mean world bigotry convoy.",
">\n\nthey would have a better chance pooling all their money to lobby.",
">\n\nMake sure you guys in Winnipeg buy your gallons of gas and put sugar in them early"
] |
>
Ran out of money? Need a new grift?
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?",
">\n\nDetermined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is.",
">\n\nI hope they freeze out there.",
">\n\nThis is just humiliating. Go away already.",
">\n\nAs if they can ever be taken seriously anymore…",
">\n\nI wonder what they will be protesting there.",
">\n\nNo offence to the lovely people of Winnipeg, but the Govt should just send all of these assholes to Winnipeg in Feb. Let them sleep in tents and trucks for a couple weeks. It is stupidly cold in Feb in Winnipeg. Might be a great deterrent!",
">\n\nI hope they are met with tow trucks and civil forfeiture notices.",
">\n\nThey mean world bigotry convoy.",
">\n\nthey would have a better chance pooling all their money to lobby.",
">\n\nMake sure you guys in Winnipeg buy your gallons of gas and put sugar in them early",
">\n\nI hear Red River is great place to park trucks in Winnipeg. Just don't tell these dudes they should move them off the river before spring."
] |
>
Is it not like a bazillion below zero in Winnipeg in February? Interesting choice of time and place.
|
[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?",
">\n\nDetermined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is.",
">\n\nI hope they freeze out there.",
">\n\nThis is just humiliating. Go away already.",
">\n\nAs if they can ever be taken seriously anymore…",
">\n\nI wonder what they will be protesting there.",
">\n\nNo offence to the lovely people of Winnipeg, but the Govt should just send all of these assholes to Winnipeg in Feb. Let them sleep in tents and trucks for a couple weeks. It is stupidly cold in Feb in Winnipeg. Might be a great deterrent!",
">\n\nI hope they are met with tow trucks and civil forfeiture notices.",
">\n\nThey mean world bigotry convoy.",
">\n\nthey would have a better chance pooling all their money to lobby.",
">\n\nMake sure you guys in Winnipeg buy your gallons of gas and put sugar in them early",
">\n\nI hear Red River is great place to park trucks in Winnipeg. Just don't tell these dudes they should move them off the river before spring.",
">\n\nRan out of money? Need a new grift?"
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[
"I feel like they haven’t been to Winnipeg in February",
">\n\nI agree, take away their cars/trucks and see how long they protest",
">\n\nsleeping in a tent in Winnipeg in February to own the libs.",
">\n\nI am very owned by their freezing",
">\n\nNo one should ever be able to wear t-shirts. I want to “cancel” t-shirts. I would feel extremely owned if some freedum fighters were to wear only t-shirts in that weather.\nHoly shit would I ever feel owned.",
">\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting. The friends I have in the trucking industry have made it clear that most of the US participants already lost thier CDLs so I don't think many more are going to give up thier jobs over nothing.",
">\n\n\nThis guy can't even articulate what they are protesting\n\nIt's the ethic of total retaliation:\n\n\"Their lack of education has not only rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy, but it has also given them the leisure to cultivate a powerful resentment… and to translate it into a destructive cult which the mass media insists on portraying as a sort of isolated oddity” destined for extinction.\nStuds Terkel, after reading that passage out loud in a 1967 interview with Thompson, calls it “the key” to the entire book. “Here we have technology, we have the computer, we have labor-saving devices,” he says to Thompson, but we also “have the need for more and more college education for almost any kind of job, and we have this tremendous mass of young who find themselves obsolete.” But Thompson replies that the real consequences have only started to manifest: “The people who are being left out and put behind won’t be obvious for years. Christ only knows what’ll happen in, say, 1985 — a million Hell’s Angels. They won’t be wearing the colors; they’ll be people who are just looking for vengeance because they’ve been left behind.”",
">\n\n\nbut these are the kinds of material conditions which give rise to political grievance(s) \n\nThey're also conditions that can be CAUSED by political grievances, mind. Poor health care systems can lead to overprescribing of painkillers and poor support during recovery, for instance.\nIt's not like society handed these guys a few beers and them bam they want to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nI think in terms of causality, the economic decay is giving rise to political action.\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period until the 1970s as there was a sharp rise in the rate of inflation. The leap frogging between capital and labour over inflation led to an increase in class conflict--historical data showed a rise in strikes and lockouts that peaked in 1976, when over a million people protested on parliament hill. It continued on into the 80s, but not as much, as the policy of full employment was dropped by Ottawa......\nThe analysis by Cole argues that the economic decay of the hollowing out of industrial sectors (the \"rust belt\"), gave rise to political actions and grievances, not so much the reverse.....",
">\n\n\nWe didn't see any of this in the post war period\n\nThe stuff I initially referenced above was about the Hell's Angels, formed in 1948.",
">\n\n\nBauder said this coming convoy in Winnipeg would be focused on “solutions for a better world for all Canadians” but he did not elaborate on what that means.\n\nSo, you would think they would work that out before...but no",
">\n\nIt's on purpose. Keep it nebulous and mysteries and \"trust the plan\" \nThat way followers can make up their own reason for being there.",
">\n\nOwning libs is its own reward, apparently.",
">\n\nHuh... not the group of people I was expecting to be promoting a worldwide government, but here we are....",
">\n\nAnother round of Ram Ranch!",
">\n\nPrediction: the leaders of the convoy will have a falling out and accuse each other of being pedophiles.",
">\n\nAnd someone will get crypto-rich minting commemorative NFTs.",
">\n\n“Remove the convoy of shame, and attach the convoy of triumph!”",
">\n\n\nworld unity convoy \n\nWill they be singing \"The Internationale\"?",
">\n\nUniting the racists, the bigots and the Elons is one form of unity we don't need.\nKeep them locked in their parents' basements please.",
">\n\nwow, thinking back on all of the freedom the last one generated (weren't there like a hundred arrests?) a sequel hardly seems worth it",
">\n\nWhy wouldn't these people go to the area which is demanding that they are no longer part of Canada / Alberta? I agree with earlier comments - probable grifting, much like DJT action hero cards.",
">\n\nMakes sense, the peg is canada crystal meth capital. 😂😂",
">\n\nBack on that sweet sweet grift",
">\n\nUnity? As they yell out racial slurs.",
">\n\nSelf radicalized blowhards.",
">\n\nWhy does the news media even bother to pay attention to these losers and their fans? They're the Canadian version of Trump supporters - laughing stocks of society",
">\n\nSo they plan to freeze some more? What are they even protesting?",
">\n\nThere's a similarity to the earlier \"occupy\" movement, in the coming together without a unifying cause they all work towards. They can't get enough people to support them just by protesting lockdowns or anything else. But just like how the \"heckler's veto\" made the \"occupy\" ethos of total resolute unanimity impossible, the people who get together to honk horns, wave flags of long defeated enemies, and scream at random people are going to define the entire convoy for everyone. I bet that religion will be the first cause for schism in the convoy.",
">\n\nwaiting for my man Andrew Callaghan to cover it next year",
">\n\nWhy in god's name do they keep choosing the worst part of winter to do this shit",
">\n\nHaven’t the people living in Winnipeg suffered enough?",
">\n\nI mean, they’ll unite everyone against them again, so I guess they’ll succeed in some way?",
">\n\nDetermined to make sure that the whole world is aware of how big an asshole he is.",
">\n\nI hope they freeze out there.",
">\n\nThis is just humiliating. Go away already.",
">\n\nAs if they can ever be taken seriously anymore…",
">\n\nI wonder what they will be protesting there.",
">\n\nNo offence to the lovely people of Winnipeg, but the Govt should just send all of these assholes to Winnipeg in Feb. Let them sleep in tents and trucks for a couple weeks. It is stupidly cold in Feb in Winnipeg. Might be a great deterrent!",
">\n\nI hope they are met with tow trucks and civil forfeiture notices.",
">\n\nThey mean world bigotry convoy.",
">\n\nthey would have a better chance pooling all their money to lobby.",
">\n\nMake sure you guys in Winnipeg buy your gallons of gas and put sugar in them early",
">\n\nI hear Red River is great place to park trucks in Winnipeg. Just don't tell these dudes they should move them off the river before spring.",
">\n\nRan out of money? Need a new grift?",
">\n\nIs it not like a bazillion below zero in Winnipeg in February? Interesting choice of time and place."
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I think this would degrade the quality of interactions and content on Reddit massively. A subreddit like r/ChangeMyView probably wouldn’t survive in any meaningful way in a landscape where large proportions of users don’t interact with each other based on their ideologies. If each Reddit user in a controversial or discourse-based sub has like 10% of other users blocked, they would miss out on SO many comment chains to the point where everyone would be seeing a different version of each thread.
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"/u/AConcernedCoder (OP) has awarded 3 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards"
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As I've clarified elsewhere, the point is not to enable discrimination against users for their opinions, which would be impossible anyways, but to limit toxicity.
For a subreddit such as CMV, granted, this would be impactful. You may want conservatives here but do conservatives really want accounts that actively promote anti-semitism or other extremes associated with the right to represent their views? I wouldn't expect so. So whether it would be a net positive or negative is debatable.
The point isn't to target ideologies, but toxicity and subreddit membership is the leverage against that. As outlined, anyone can escape a block by disassociating from the subreddits that are especially known for the toxic content. And that's good -- again, it's not intended to target persons or ideologies, but toxicity, by incentivizing its limitation.
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">\n\nI think this would degrade the quality of interactions and content on Reddit massively. A subreddit like r/ChangeMyView probably wouldn’t survive in any meaningful way in a landscape where large proportions of users don’t interact with each other based on their ideologies. If each Reddit user in a controversial or discourse-based sub has like 10% of other users blocked, they would miss out on SO many comment chains to the point where everyone would be seeing a different version of each thread."
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The point of such a system may not be to discriminate based on opinions, but that would be the outcome of the system. Just because a system is intended to do something doesn’t mean it can’t be used to do something else, and that is what people need to always look out for when proposing systems like this
It will just creat bigger echo chambers and more misinformation as pointed out by sirhc978.
You keep on saying that it’s not really a block because the user can just unsubscribe to the sub that you block, but this is a terrible argument on two counts. 1. Is that most (non-troll) people would really want to drop a sub just so they can post something on someone’s post, 2. Is that unless you have some sort of timeout system to stop a person from just dropping the sub and then resubbing (which would just exacerbate point 1) trolls and toxic posters can do just that.
Overall the most likely outcome of the system is that people using will likely decrease the number of “toxic” reply’s and comments, but it will drastically decrease good and important criticisms of points made as those are by people who look at many different views. It will also drastically increase the amount of misinformation that people can spread as they block those criticisms and corrections that people make
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">\n\nI think this would degrade the quality of interactions and content on Reddit massively. A subreddit like r/ChangeMyView probably wouldn’t survive in any meaningful way in a landscape where large proportions of users don’t interact with each other based on their ideologies. If each Reddit user in a controversial or discourse-based sub has like 10% of other users blocked, they would miss out on SO many comment chains to the point where everyone would be seeing a different version of each thread.",
">\n\nAs I've clarified elsewhere, the point is not to enable discrimination against users for their opinions, which would be impossible anyways, but to limit toxicity.\nFor a subreddit such as CMV, granted, this would be impactful. You may want conservatives here but do conservatives really want accounts that actively promote anti-semitism or other extremes associated with the right to represent their views? I wouldn't expect so. So whether it would be a net positive or negative is debatable.\nThe point isn't to target ideologies, but toxicity and subreddit membership is the leverage against that. As outlined, anyone can escape a block by disassociating from the subreddits that are especially known for the toxic content. And that's good -- again, it's not intended to target persons or ideologies, but toxicity, by incentivizing its limitation."
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I don’t think people that subscribe to the most toxic subs have good points about anything honestly.
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">\n\nI think this would degrade the quality of interactions and content on Reddit massively. A subreddit like r/ChangeMyView probably wouldn’t survive in any meaningful way in a landscape where large proportions of users don’t interact with each other based on their ideologies. If each Reddit user in a controversial or discourse-based sub has like 10% of other users blocked, they would miss out on SO many comment chains to the point where everyone would be seeing a different version of each thread.",
">\n\nAs I've clarified elsewhere, the point is not to enable discrimination against users for their opinions, which would be impossible anyways, but to limit toxicity.\nFor a subreddit such as CMV, granted, this would be impactful. You may want conservatives here but do conservatives really want accounts that actively promote anti-semitism or other extremes associated with the right to represent their views? I wouldn't expect so. So whether it would be a net positive or negative is debatable.\nThe point isn't to target ideologies, but toxicity and subreddit membership is the leverage against that. As outlined, anyone can escape a block by disassociating from the subreddits that are especially known for the toxic content. And that's good -- again, it's not intended to target persons or ideologies, but toxicity, by incentivizing its limitation.",
">\n\nThe point of such a system may not be to discriminate based on opinions, but that would be the outcome of the system. Just because a system is intended to do something doesn’t mean it can’t be used to do something else, and that is what people need to always look out for when proposing systems like this \nIt will just creat bigger echo chambers and more misinformation as pointed out by sirhc978. \nYou keep on saying that it’s not really a block because the user can just unsubscribe to the sub that you block, but this is a terrible argument on two counts. 1. Is that most (non-troll) people would really want to drop a sub just so they can post something on someone’s post, 2. Is that unless you have some sort of timeout system to stop a person from just dropping the sub and then resubbing (which would just exacerbate point 1) trolls and toxic posters can do just that. \nOverall the most likely outcome of the system is that people using will likely decrease the number of “toxic” reply’s and comments, but it will drastically decrease good and important criticisms of points made as those are by people who look at many different views. It will also drastically increase the amount of misinformation that people can spread as they block those criticisms and corrections that people make"
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I can get behind the idea of blocking a particular subreddit from showing up on my feed, but not blocking everyone who takes part in that sub. Especially since a lot of people "hate follow" certain subs.
The blocking system can already be used very effectively to spread misinformation. Putting it on steroids could potentially be a bad thing.
If you REALLY want to, could could just install the RES extension.
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">\n\nI think this would degrade the quality of interactions and content on Reddit massively. A subreddit like r/ChangeMyView probably wouldn’t survive in any meaningful way in a landscape where large proportions of users don’t interact with each other based on their ideologies. If each Reddit user in a controversial or discourse-based sub has like 10% of other users blocked, they would miss out on SO many comment chains to the point where everyone would be seeing a different version of each thread.",
">\n\nAs I've clarified elsewhere, the point is not to enable discrimination against users for their opinions, which would be impossible anyways, but to limit toxicity.\nFor a subreddit such as CMV, granted, this would be impactful. You may want conservatives here but do conservatives really want accounts that actively promote anti-semitism or other extremes associated with the right to represent their views? I wouldn't expect so. So whether it would be a net positive or negative is debatable.\nThe point isn't to target ideologies, but toxicity and subreddit membership is the leverage against that. As outlined, anyone can escape a block by disassociating from the subreddits that are especially known for the toxic content. And that's good -- again, it's not intended to target persons or ideologies, but toxicity, by incentivizing its limitation.",
">\n\nThe point of such a system may not be to discriminate based on opinions, but that would be the outcome of the system. Just because a system is intended to do something doesn’t mean it can’t be used to do something else, and that is what people need to always look out for when proposing systems like this \nIt will just creat bigger echo chambers and more misinformation as pointed out by sirhc978. \nYou keep on saying that it’s not really a block because the user can just unsubscribe to the sub that you block, but this is a terrible argument on two counts. 1. Is that most (non-troll) people would really want to drop a sub just so they can post something on someone’s post, 2. Is that unless you have some sort of timeout system to stop a person from just dropping the sub and then resubbing (which would just exacerbate point 1) trolls and toxic posters can do just that. \nOverall the most likely outcome of the system is that people using will likely decrease the number of “toxic” reply’s and comments, but it will drastically decrease good and important criticisms of points made as those are by people who look at many different views. It will also drastically increase the amount of misinformation that people can spread as they block those criticisms and corrections that people make",
">\n\nI don’t think people that subscribe to the most toxic subs have good points about anything honestly."
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Is the point here that when blocked, one cannot counter the spread of misinformation?
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">\n\nI think this would degrade the quality of interactions and content on Reddit massively. A subreddit like r/ChangeMyView probably wouldn’t survive in any meaningful way in a landscape where large proportions of users don’t interact with each other based on their ideologies. If each Reddit user in a controversial or discourse-based sub has like 10% of other users blocked, they would miss out on SO many comment chains to the point where everyone would be seeing a different version of each thread.",
">\n\nAs I've clarified elsewhere, the point is not to enable discrimination against users for their opinions, which would be impossible anyways, but to limit toxicity.\nFor a subreddit such as CMV, granted, this would be impactful. You may want conservatives here but do conservatives really want accounts that actively promote anti-semitism or other extremes associated with the right to represent their views? I wouldn't expect so. So whether it would be a net positive or negative is debatable.\nThe point isn't to target ideologies, but toxicity and subreddit membership is the leverage against that. As outlined, anyone can escape a block by disassociating from the subreddits that are especially known for the toxic content. And that's good -- again, it's not intended to target persons or ideologies, but toxicity, by incentivizing its limitation.",
">\n\nThe point of such a system may not be to discriminate based on opinions, but that would be the outcome of the system. Just because a system is intended to do something doesn’t mean it can’t be used to do something else, and that is what people need to always look out for when proposing systems like this \nIt will just creat bigger echo chambers and more misinformation as pointed out by sirhc978. \nYou keep on saying that it’s not really a block because the user can just unsubscribe to the sub that you block, but this is a terrible argument on two counts. 1. Is that most (non-troll) people would really want to drop a sub just so they can post something on someone’s post, 2. Is that unless you have some sort of timeout system to stop a person from just dropping the sub and then resubbing (which would just exacerbate point 1) trolls and toxic posters can do just that. \nOverall the most likely outcome of the system is that people using will likely decrease the number of “toxic” reply’s and comments, but it will drastically decrease good and important criticisms of points made as those are by people who look at many different views. It will also drastically increase the amount of misinformation that people can spread as they block those criticisms and corrections that people make",
">\n\nI don’t think people that subscribe to the most toxic subs have good points about anything honestly.",
">\n\nI can get behind the idea of blocking a particular subreddit from showing up on my feed, but not blocking everyone who takes part in that sub. Especially since a lot of people \"hate follow\" certain subs. \nThe blocking system can already be used very effectively to spread misinformation. Putting it on steroids could potentially be a bad thing.\nIf you REALLY want to, could could just install the RES extension."
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The point here is that you can use the blocking system to easily spread misinformation. You can basically create an echo-chamber inside an echo-chamber.
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">\n\nI think this would degrade the quality of interactions and content on Reddit massively. A subreddit like r/ChangeMyView probably wouldn’t survive in any meaningful way in a landscape where large proportions of users don’t interact with each other based on their ideologies. If each Reddit user in a controversial or discourse-based sub has like 10% of other users blocked, they would miss out on SO many comment chains to the point where everyone would be seeing a different version of each thread.",
">\n\nAs I've clarified elsewhere, the point is not to enable discrimination against users for their opinions, which would be impossible anyways, but to limit toxicity.\nFor a subreddit such as CMV, granted, this would be impactful. You may want conservatives here but do conservatives really want accounts that actively promote anti-semitism or other extremes associated with the right to represent their views? I wouldn't expect so. So whether it would be a net positive or negative is debatable.\nThe point isn't to target ideologies, but toxicity and subreddit membership is the leverage against that. As outlined, anyone can escape a block by disassociating from the subreddits that are especially known for the toxic content. And that's good -- again, it's not intended to target persons or ideologies, but toxicity, by incentivizing its limitation.",
">\n\nThe point of such a system may not be to discriminate based on opinions, but that would be the outcome of the system. Just because a system is intended to do something doesn’t mean it can’t be used to do something else, and that is what people need to always look out for when proposing systems like this \nIt will just creat bigger echo chambers and more misinformation as pointed out by sirhc978. \nYou keep on saying that it’s not really a block because the user can just unsubscribe to the sub that you block, but this is a terrible argument on two counts. 1. Is that most (non-troll) people would really want to drop a sub just so they can post something on someone’s post, 2. Is that unless you have some sort of timeout system to stop a person from just dropping the sub and then resubbing (which would just exacerbate point 1) trolls and toxic posters can do just that. \nOverall the most likely outcome of the system is that people using will likely decrease the number of “toxic” reply’s and comments, but it will drastically decrease good and important criticisms of points made as those are by people who look at many different views. It will also drastically increase the amount of misinformation that people can spread as they block those criticisms and corrections that people make",
">\n\nI don’t think people that subscribe to the most toxic subs have good points about anything honestly.",
">\n\nI can get behind the idea of blocking a particular subreddit from showing up on my feed, but not blocking everyone who takes part in that sub. Especially since a lot of people \"hate follow\" certain subs. \nThe blocking system can already be used very effectively to spread misinformation. Putting it on steroids could potentially be a bad thing.\nIf you REALLY want to, could could just install the RES extension.",
">\n\nIs the point here that when blocked, one cannot counter the spread of misinformation?"
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“An echo chamber inside an echo chamber”
Pretty sure that’s OP’s wet dream right there. According to this post and his responses, his mental health is fragile and can’t tolerate nuance.
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">\n\nI think this would degrade the quality of interactions and content on Reddit massively. A subreddit like r/ChangeMyView probably wouldn’t survive in any meaningful way in a landscape where large proportions of users don’t interact with each other based on their ideologies. If each Reddit user in a controversial or discourse-based sub has like 10% of other users blocked, they would miss out on SO many comment chains to the point where everyone would be seeing a different version of each thread.",
">\n\nAs I've clarified elsewhere, the point is not to enable discrimination against users for their opinions, which would be impossible anyways, but to limit toxicity.\nFor a subreddit such as CMV, granted, this would be impactful. You may want conservatives here but do conservatives really want accounts that actively promote anti-semitism or other extremes associated with the right to represent their views? I wouldn't expect so. So whether it would be a net positive or negative is debatable.\nThe point isn't to target ideologies, but toxicity and subreddit membership is the leverage against that. As outlined, anyone can escape a block by disassociating from the subreddits that are especially known for the toxic content. And that's good -- again, it's not intended to target persons or ideologies, but toxicity, by incentivizing its limitation.",
">\n\nThe point of such a system may not be to discriminate based on opinions, but that would be the outcome of the system. Just because a system is intended to do something doesn’t mean it can’t be used to do something else, and that is what people need to always look out for when proposing systems like this \nIt will just creat bigger echo chambers and more misinformation as pointed out by sirhc978. \nYou keep on saying that it’s not really a block because the user can just unsubscribe to the sub that you block, but this is a terrible argument on two counts. 1. Is that most (non-troll) people would really want to drop a sub just so they can post something on someone’s post, 2. Is that unless you have some sort of timeout system to stop a person from just dropping the sub and then resubbing (which would just exacerbate point 1) trolls and toxic posters can do just that. \nOverall the most likely outcome of the system is that people using will likely decrease the number of “toxic” reply’s and comments, but it will drastically decrease good and important criticisms of points made as those are by people who look at many different views. It will also drastically increase the amount of misinformation that people can spread as they block those criticisms and corrections that people make",
">\n\nI don’t think people that subscribe to the most toxic subs have good points about anything honestly.",
">\n\nI can get behind the idea of blocking a particular subreddit from showing up on my feed, but not blocking everyone who takes part in that sub. Especially since a lot of people \"hate follow\" certain subs. \nThe blocking system can already be used very effectively to spread misinformation. Putting it on steroids could potentially be a bad thing.\nIf you REALLY want to, could could just install the RES extension.",
">\n\nIs the point here that when blocked, one cannot counter the spread of misinformation?",
">\n\nThe point here is that you can use the blocking system to easily spread misinformation. You can basically create an echo-chamber inside an echo-chamber."
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I subscribe to a number of communities that I have serious disagreements with. (1) I want to keep informed about trending topics within those communities and (2) I want to continually challenge my own perspectives on issues which in effect makes me much more nuanced in my discussions and arguably more formidable in debate.
If a particular user is bothering me and being just generally rude, I simply wish them a nice day, block them, and move on to more meaningful discussions.
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">\n\nI think this would degrade the quality of interactions and content on Reddit massively. A subreddit like r/ChangeMyView probably wouldn’t survive in any meaningful way in a landscape where large proportions of users don’t interact with each other based on their ideologies. If each Reddit user in a controversial or discourse-based sub has like 10% of other users blocked, they would miss out on SO many comment chains to the point where everyone would be seeing a different version of each thread.",
">\n\nAs I've clarified elsewhere, the point is not to enable discrimination against users for their opinions, which would be impossible anyways, but to limit toxicity.\nFor a subreddit such as CMV, granted, this would be impactful. You may want conservatives here but do conservatives really want accounts that actively promote anti-semitism or other extremes associated with the right to represent their views? I wouldn't expect so. So whether it would be a net positive or negative is debatable.\nThe point isn't to target ideologies, but toxicity and subreddit membership is the leverage against that. As outlined, anyone can escape a block by disassociating from the subreddits that are especially known for the toxic content. And that's good -- again, it's not intended to target persons or ideologies, but toxicity, by incentivizing its limitation.",
">\n\nThe point of such a system may not be to discriminate based on opinions, but that would be the outcome of the system. Just because a system is intended to do something doesn’t mean it can’t be used to do something else, and that is what people need to always look out for when proposing systems like this \nIt will just creat bigger echo chambers and more misinformation as pointed out by sirhc978. \nYou keep on saying that it’s not really a block because the user can just unsubscribe to the sub that you block, but this is a terrible argument on two counts. 1. Is that most (non-troll) people would really want to drop a sub just so they can post something on someone’s post, 2. Is that unless you have some sort of timeout system to stop a person from just dropping the sub and then resubbing (which would just exacerbate point 1) trolls and toxic posters can do just that. \nOverall the most likely outcome of the system is that people using will likely decrease the number of “toxic” reply’s and comments, but it will drastically decrease good and important criticisms of points made as those are by people who look at many different views. It will also drastically increase the amount of misinformation that people can spread as they block those criticisms and corrections that people make",
">\n\nI don’t think people that subscribe to the most toxic subs have good points about anything honestly.",
">\n\nI can get behind the idea of blocking a particular subreddit from showing up on my feed, but not blocking everyone who takes part in that sub. Especially since a lot of people \"hate follow\" certain subs. \nThe blocking system can already be used very effectively to spread misinformation. Putting it on steroids could potentially be a bad thing.\nIf you REALLY want to, could could just install the RES extension.",
">\n\nIs the point here that when blocked, one cannot counter the spread of misinformation?",
">\n\nThe point here is that you can use the blocking system to easily spread misinformation. You can basically create an echo-chamber inside an echo-chamber.",
">\n\n“An echo chamber inside an echo chamber”\nPretty sure that’s OP’s wet dream right there. According to this post and his responses, his mental health is fragile and can’t tolerate nuance."
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Ok but consider this perspective. I am trans, therefore I receive fairly frequent targeted harassment on reddit. I frequently get hateful dms from random people, people who enter trans subreddits to find random trans people to bully. If you look at the accounts that do this, you will find common links in anti-trans and conservative subreddits that they subscribe to. If I could block all people who subscribe to such subreddits, my life would be made significantly more positive. Sure, I may be blocking people that don't do targeted harassment of minority groups, but uh, I think that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make if it means I get less death threats at the cost of no longer talking to people who think I shouldn't have rights or exist.
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">\n\nI think this would degrade the quality of interactions and content on Reddit massively. A subreddit like r/ChangeMyView probably wouldn’t survive in any meaningful way in a landscape where large proportions of users don’t interact with each other based on their ideologies. If each Reddit user in a controversial or discourse-based sub has like 10% of other users blocked, they would miss out on SO many comment chains to the point where everyone would be seeing a different version of each thread.",
">\n\nAs I've clarified elsewhere, the point is not to enable discrimination against users for their opinions, which would be impossible anyways, but to limit toxicity.\nFor a subreddit such as CMV, granted, this would be impactful. You may want conservatives here but do conservatives really want accounts that actively promote anti-semitism or other extremes associated with the right to represent their views? I wouldn't expect so. So whether it would be a net positive or negative is debatable.\nThe point isn't to target ideologies, but toxicity and subreddit membership is the leverage against that. As outlined, anyone can escape a block by disassociating from the subreddits that are especially known for the toxic content. And that's good -- again, it's not intended to target persons or ideologies, but toxicity, by incentivizing its limitation.",
">\n\nThe point of such a system may not be to discriminate based on opinions, but that would be the outcome of the system. Just because a system is intended to do something doesn’t mean it can’t be used to do something else, and that is what people need to always look out for when proposing systems like this \nIt will just creat bigger echo chambers and more misinformation as pointed out by sirhc978. \nYou keep on saying that it’s not really a block because the user can just unsubscribe to the sub that you block, but this is a terrible argument on two counts. 1. Is that most (non-troll) people would really want to drop a sub just so they can post something on someone’s post, 2. Is that unless you have some sort of timeout system to stop a person from just dropping the sub and then resubbing (which would just exacerbate point 1) trolls and toxic posters can do just that. \nOverall the most likely outcome of the system is that people using will likely decrease the number of “toxic” reply’s and comments, but it will drastically decrease good and important criticisms of points made as those are by people who look at many different views. It will also drastically increase the amount of misinformation that people can spread as they block those criticisms and corrections that people make",
">\n\nI don’t think people that subscribe to the most toxic subs have good points about anything honestly.",
">\n\nI can get behind the idea of blocking a particular subreddit from showing up on my feed, but not blocking everyone who takes part in that sub. Especially since a lot of people \"hate follow\" certain subs. \nThe blocking system can already be used very effectively to spread misinformation. Putting it on steroids could potentially be a bad thing.\nIf you REALLY want to, could could just install the RES extension.",
">\n\nIs the point here that when blocked, one cannot counter the spread of misinformation?",
">\n\nThe point here is that you can use the blocking system to easily spread misinformation. You can basically create an echo-chamber inside an echo-chamber.",
">\n\n“An echo chamber inside an echo chamber”\nPretty sure that’s OP’s wet dream right there. According to this post and his responses, his mental health is fragile and can’t tolerate nuance.",
">\n\nI subscribe to a number of communities that I have serious disagreements with. (1) I want to keep informed about trending topics within those communities and (2) I want to continually challenge my own perspectives on issues which in effect makes me much more nuanced in my discussions and arguably more formidable in debate.\nIf a particular user is bothering me and being just generally rude, I simply wish them a nice day, block them, and move on to more meaningful discussions."
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I'm sorry you have to put up with that. If you're getting targeted threats and similar speech you should definitely report that to the Reddit admins and get those people kicked off of Reddit permanently. Perhaps look at it as a service you're doing to the entire Reddit. If you simply did a mass block, these people would still persist on this platform, potentially doing emotional harm (or worse) to others.
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">\n\nI think this would degrade the quality of interactions and content on Reddit massively. A subreddit like r/ChangeMyView probably wouldn’t survive in any meaningful way in a landscape where large proportions of users don’t interact with each other based on their ideologies. If each Reddit user in a controversial or discourse-based sub has like 10% of other users blocked, they would miss out on SO many comment chains to the point where everyone would be seeing a different version of each thread.",
">\n\nAs I've clarified elsewhere, the point is not to enable discrimination against users for their opinions, which would be impossible anyways, but to limit toxicity.\nFor a subreddit such as CMV, granted, this would be impactful. You may want conservatives here but do conservatives really want accounts that actively promote anti-semitism or other extremes associated with the right to represent their views? I wouldn't expect so. So whether it would be a net positive or negative is debatable.\nThe point isn't to target ideologies, but toxicity and subreddit membership is the leverage against that. As outlined, anyone can escape a block by disassociating from the subreddits that are especially known for the toxic content. And that's good -- again, it's not intended to target persons or ideologies, but toxicity, by incentivizing its limitation.",
">\n\nThe point of such a system may not be to discriminate based on opinions, but that would be the outcome of the system. Just because a system is intended to do something doesn’t mean it can’t be used to do something else, and that is what people need to always look out for when proposing systems like this \nIt will just creat bigger echo chambers and more misinformation as pointed out by sirhc978. \nYou keep on saying that it’s not really a block because the user can just unsubscribe to the sub that you block, but this is a terrible argument on two counts. 1. Is that most (non-troll) people would really want to drop a sub just so they can post something on someone’s post, 2. Is that unless you have some sort of timeout system to stop a person from just dropping the sub and then resubbing (which would just exacerbate point 1) trolls and toxic posters can do just that. \nOverall the most likely outcome of the system is that people using will likely decrease the number of “toxic” reply’s and comments, but it will drastically decrease good and important criticisms of points made as those are by people who look at many different views. It will also drastically increase the amount of misinformation that people can spread as they block those criticisms and corrections that people make",
">\n\nI don’t think people that subscribe to the most toxic subs have good points about anything honestly.",
">\n\nI can get behind the idea of blocking a particular subreddit from showing up on my feed, but not blocking everyone who takes part in that sub. Especially since a lot of people \"hate follow\" certain subs. \nThe blocking system can already be used very effectively to spread misinformation. Putting it on steroids could potentially be a bad thing.\nIf you REALLY want to, could could just install the RES extension.",
">\n\nIs the point here that when blocked, one cannot counter the spread of misinformation?",
">\n\nThe point here is that you can use the blocking system to easily spread misinformation. You can basically create an echo-chamber inside an echo-chamber.",
">\n\n“An echo chamber inside an echo chamber”\nPretty sure that’s OP’s wet dream right there. According to this post and his responses, his mental health is fragile and can’t tolerate nuance.",
">\n\nI subscribe to a number of communities that I have serious disagreements with. (1) I want to keep informed about trending topics within those communities and (2) I want to continually challenge my own perspectives on issues which in effect makes me much more nuanced in my discussions and arguably more formidable in debate.\nIf a particular user is bothering me and being just generally rude, I simply wish them a nice day, block them, and move on to more meaningful discussions.",
">\n\nOk but consider this perspective. I am trans, therefore I receive fairly frequent targeted harassment on reddit. I frequently get hateful dms from random people, people who enter trans subreddits to find random trans people to bully. If you look at the accounts that do this, you will find common links in anti-trans and conservative subreddits that they subscribe to. If I could block all people who subscribe to such subreddits, my life would be made significantly more positive. Sure, I may be blocking people that don't do targeted harassment of minority groups, but uh, I think that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make if it means I get less death threats at the cost of no longer talking to people who think I shouldn't have rights or exist."
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