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I believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation
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"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf."
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if she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be "culturally rehabilitated"?
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation"
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Because she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?"
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a life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now)."
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Completely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice.
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good."
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This post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s"
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>
Only Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.
|
[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony."
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says the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story
Just stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next
|
[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat."
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Stop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.
|
[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next"
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What happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me
|
[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people."
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Of course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?
|
[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me"
] |
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She already served 14 years in it first.
|
[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?"
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Cool, she can serve the rest of her life too.
I fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first."
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hey did you read the article?
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim."
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clearly you don't get it lmao
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?"
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This woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao"
] |
>
Please read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.
|
[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism."
] |
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Is she Native?
|
[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind."
] |
>
This used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed.
|
[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?"
] |
>
Oh so long ago, I was trapped in Winnipeg's juvenile hall and forced to eat fried cow-liver. Yuk. Escaping from Winnipeg has always been one of my life's great glories. (I was deported on a Trailways bus to San Bernardino.) So long, Canada.
|
[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?",
">\n\nThis used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed."
] |
>
Who in the hell wants to venture outside in Manitoba In the winter anyway?
|
[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?",
">\n\nThis used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed.",
">\n\nOh so long ago, I was trapped in Winnipeg's juvenile hall and forced to eat fried cow-liver. Yuk. Escaping from Winnipeg has always been one of my life's great glories. (I was deported on a Trailways bus to San Bernardino.) So long, Canada."
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So family guy was right about Canadian prisons. Interesting.
|
[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?",
">\n\nThis used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed.",
">\n\nOh so long ago, I was trapped in Winnipeg's juvenile hall and forced to eat fried cow-liver. Yuk. Escaping from Winnipeg has always been one of my life's great glories. (I was deported on a Trailways bus to San Bernardino.) So long, Canada.",
">\n\nWho in the hell wants to venture outside in Manitoba In the winter anyway?"
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That headline is dumb and intentionally misleading to push a political narrative. Do better OP
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?",
">\n\nThis used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed.",
">\n\nOh so long ago, I was trapped in Winnipeg's juvenile hall and forced to eat fried cow-liver. Yuk. Escaping from Winnipeg has always been one of my life's great glories. (I was deported on a Trailways bus to San Bernardino.) So long, Canada.",
">\n\nWho in the hell wants to venture outside in Manitoba In the winter anyway?",
">\n\nSo family guy was right about Canadian prisons. Interesting."
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You might want to check what sub you're in. Bad headlines are half the content here.
Also, do you think that I wrote the article? I didn't choose the headline, I know they've updated it since I posted, which is normal, but just look at the link, and it's obvious that was the original headline.
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?",
">\n\nThis used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed.",
">\n\nOh so long ago, I was trapped in Winnipeg's juvenile hall and forced to eat fried cow-liver. Yuk. Escaping from Winnipeg has always been one of my life's great glories. (I was deported on a Trailways bus to San Bernardino.) So long, Canada.",
">\n\nWho in the hell wants to venture outside in Manitoba In the winter anyway?",
">\n\nSo family guy was right about Canadian prisons. Interesting.",
">\n\nThat headline is dumb and intentionally misleading to push a political narrative. Do better OP"
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This sub is for Headlines showing the real world being more/as absurd as the world of The Onion. The sub funny when the headlines are bad but weird & unexpected.
Headlines that your racist uncle would be excited to post on Facebook don’t belong here.
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?",
">\n\nThis used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed.",
">\n\nOh so long ago, I was trapped in Winnipeg's juvenile hall and forced to eat fried cow-liver. Yuk. Escaping from Winnipeg has always been one of my life's great glories. (I was deported on a Trailways bus to San Bernardino.) So long, Canada.",
">\n\nWho in the hell wants to venture outside in Manitoba In the winter anyway?",
">\n\nSo family guy was right about Canadian prisons. Interesting.",
">\n\nThat headline is dumb and intentionally misleading to push a political narrative. Do better OP",
">\n\nYou might want to check what sub you're in. Bad headlines are half the content here. \nAlso, do you think that I wrote the article? I didn't choose the headline, I know they've updated it since I posted, which is normal, but just look at the link, and it's obvious that was the original headline."
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People walk away from minimum security prisons here in Canada frequently. They get to minimum because of good behaviour, or often go directly to minimum for serious but non-violent offences (fraud, etc.). I am told older inmates nearing the end of long sentences often "escape" because they are close to release and don't want to leave the system. Most escapees turn themselves back in or are recaptured peacefully.
I lived near a minimum and medium institution , and my son worked there. It's a humane environment where rehabilitation is a big focus. And it works. I used to teach IT stuff in the minimum. One of my helpers was in for second degree murder and had learned programming during his sentence. He went on to a career in coding after release.
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?",
">\n\nThis used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed.",
">\n\nOh so long ago, I was trapped in Winnipeg's juvenile hall and forced to eat fried cow-liver. Yuk. Escaping from Winnipeg has always been one of my life's great glories. (I was deported on a Trailways bus to San Bernardino.) So long, Canada.",
">\n\nWho in the hell wants to venture outside in Manitoba In the winter anyway?",
">\n\nSo family guy was right about Canadian prisons. Interesting.",
">\n\nThat headline is dumb and intentionally misleading to push a political narrative. Do better OP",
">\n\nYou might want to check what sub you're in. Bad headlines are half the content here. \nAlso, do you think that I wrote the article? I didn't choose the headline, I know they've updated it since I posted, which is normal, but just look at the link, and it's obvious that was the original headline.",
">\n\nThis sub is for Headlines showing the real world being more/as absurd as the world of The Onion. The sub funny when the headlines are bad but weird & unexpected.\nHeadlines that your racist uncle would be excited to post on Facebook don’t belong here."
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Wtf is a murderer doing in minimum??
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?",
">\n\nThis used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed.",
">\n\nOh so long ago, I was trapped in Winnipeg's juvenile hall and forced to eat fried cow-liver. Yuk. Escaping from Winnipeg has always been one of my life's great glories. (I was deported on a Trailways bus to San Bernardino.) So long, Canada.",
">\n\nWho in the hell wants to venture outside in Manitoba In the winter anyway?",
">\n\nSo family guy was right about Canadian prisons. Interesting.",
">\n\nThat headline is dumb and intentionally misleading to push a political narrative. Do better OP",
">\n\nYou might want to check what sub you're in. Bad headlines are half the content here. \nAlso, do you think that I wrote the article? I didn't choose the headline, I know they've updated it since I posted, which is normal, but just look at the link, and it's obvious that was the original headline.",
">\n\nThis sub is for Headlines showing the real world being more/as absurd as the world of The Onion. The sub funny when the headlines are bad but weird & unexpected.\nHeadlines that your racist uncle would be excited to post on Facebook don’t belong here.",
">\n\nPeople walk away from minimum security prisons here in Canada frequently. They get to minimum because of good behaviour, or often go directly to minimum for serious but non-violent offences (fraud, etc.). I am told older inmates nearing the end of long sentences often \"escape\" because they are close to release and don't want to leave the system. Most escapees turn themselves back in or are recaptured peacefully.\nI lived near a minimum and medium institution , and my son worked there. It's a humane environment where rehabilitation is a big focus. And it works. I used to teach IT stuff in the minimum. One of my helpers was in for second degree murder and had learned programming during his sentence. He went on to a career in coding after release."
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A murderer eligible for parole is in a transition house awaiting parole. Newsflash at 11!
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?",
">\n\nThis used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed.",
">\n\nOh so long ago, I was trapped in Winnipeg's juvenile hall and forced to eat fried cow-liver. Yuk. Escaping from Winnipeg has always been one of my life's great glories. (I was deported on a Trailways bus to San Bernardino.) So long, Canada.",
">\n\nWho in the hell wants to venture outside in Manitoba In the winter anyway?",
">\n\nSo family guy was right about Canadian prisons. Interesting.",
">\n\nThat headline is dumb and intentionally misleading to push a political narrative. Do better OP",
">\n\nYou might want to check what sub you're in. Bad headlines are half the content here. \nAlso, do you think that I wrote the article? I didn't choose the headline, I know they've updated it since I posted, which is normal, but just look at the link, and it's obvious that was the original headline.",
">\n\nThis sub is for Headlines showing the real world being more/as absurd as the world of The Onion. The sub funny when the headlines are bad but weird & unexpected.\nHeadlines that your racist uncle would be excited to post on Facebook don’t belong here.",
">\n\nPeople walk away from minimum security prisons here in Canada frequently. They get to minimum because of good behaviour, or often go directly to minimum for serious but non-violent offences (fraud, etc.). I am told older inmates nearing the end of long sentences often \"escape\" because they are close to release and don't want to leave the system. Most escapees turn themselves back in or are recaptured peacefully.\nI lived near a minimum and medium institution , and my son worked there. It's a humane environment where rehabilitation is a big focus. And it works. I used to teach IT stuff in the minimum. One of my helpers was in for second degree murder and had learned programming during his sentence. He went on to a career in coding after release.",
">\n\nWtf is a murderer doing in minimum??"
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dang they aint got enuf social workers in their to help dem males
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?",
">\n\nThis used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed.",
">\n\nOh so long ago, I was trapped in Winnipeg's juvenile hall and forced to eat fried cow-liver. Yuk. Escaping from Winnipeg has always been one of my life's great glories. (I was deported on a Trailways bus to San Bernardino.) So long, Canada.",
">\n\nWho in the hell wants to venture outside in Manitoba In the winter anyway?",
">\n\nSo family guy was right about Canadian prisons. Interesting.",
">\n\nThat headline is dumb and intentionally misleading to push a political narrative. Do better OP",
">\n\nYou might want to check what sub you're in. Bad headlines are half the content here. \nAlso, do you think that I wrote the article? I didn't choose the headline, I know they've updated it since I posted, which is normal, but just look at the link, and it's obvious that was the original headline.",
">\n\nThis sub is for Headlines showing the real world being more/as absurd as the world of The Onion. The sub funny when the headlines are bad but weird & unexpected.\nHeadlines that your racist uncle would be excited to post on Facebook don’t belong here.",
">\n\nPeople walk away from minimum security prisons here in Canada frequently. They get to minimum because of good behaviour, or often go directly to minimum for serious but non-violent offences (fraud, etc.). I am told older inmates nearing the end of long sentences often \"escape\" because they are close to release and don't want to leave the system. Most escapees turn themselves back in or are recaptured peacefully.\nI lived near a minimum and medium institution , and my son worked there. It's a humane environment where rehabilitation is a big focus. And it works. I used to teach IT stuff in the minimum. One of my helpers was in for second degree murder and had learned programming during his sentence. He went on to a career in coding after release.",
">\n\nWtf is a murderer doing in minimum??",
">\n\nA murderer eligible for parole is in a transition house awaiting parole. Newsflash at 11!"
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For context, this is coming on the heels of a convicted criminal with a history of violent offence being released on bail and subsequently murdering a police officer in an ambush. Canada is coming to grips with what it means to focus solely on rehabilitation at the expense of public safety. This may be the beginning of a pendulum swing. While healing lodges may be great in theory, what we are seeing following the Gladue report is violent prisoners with reduced sentences being released back in to their communities too soon and causing further issues. Recently a man who was released went on a killing spree with a knife and killed over a dozen people in his community.
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?",
">\n\nThis used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed.",
">\n\nOh so long ago, I was trapped in Winnipeg's juvenile hall and forced to eat fried cow-liver. Yuk. Escaping from Winnipeg has always been one of my life's great glories. (I was deported on a Trailways bus to San Bernardino.) So long, Canada.",
">\n\nWho in the hell wants to venture outside in Manitoba In the winter anyway?",
">\n\nSo family guy was right about Canadian prisons. Interesting.",
">\n\nThat headline is dumb and intentionally misleading to push a political narrative. Do better OP",
">\n\nYou might want to check what sub you're in. Bad headlines are half the content here. \nAlso, do you think that I wrote the article? I didn't choose the headline, I know they've updated it since I posted, which is normal, but just look at the link, and it's obvious that was the original headline.",
">\n\nThis sub is for Headlines showing the real world being more/as absurd as the world of The Onion. The sub funny when the headlines are bad but weird & unexpected.\nHeadlines that your racist uncle would be excited to post on Facebook don’t belong here.",
">\n\nPeople walk away from minimum security prisons here in Canada frequently. They get to minimum because of good behaviour, or often go directly to minimum for serious but non-violent offences (fraud, etc.). I am told older inmates nearing the end of long sentences often \"escape\" because they are close to release and don't want to leave the system. Most escapees turn themselves back in or are recaptured peacefully.\nI lived near a minimum and medium institution , and my son worked there. It's a humane environment where rehabilitation is a big focus. And it works. I used to teach IT stuff in the minimum. One of my helpers was in for second degree murder and had learned programming during his sentence. He went on to a career in coding after release.",
">\n\nWtf is a murderer doing in minimum??",
">\n\nA murderer eligible for parole is in a transition house awaiting parole. Newsflash at 11!",
">\n\ndang they aint got enuf social workers in their to help dem males"
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I stumbled upon this in /r/Canada and the comments there were much more charged. I totally get why this subject would be contentious but the headline really reads like something from The Onion, more so than much of what's here IMO, so I figured it was worth posting.
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?",
">\n\nThis used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed.",
">\n\nOh so long ago, I was trapped in Winnipeg's juvenile hall and forced to eat fried cow-liver. Yuk. Escaping from Winnipeg has always been one of my life's great glories. (I was deported on a Trailways bus to San Bernardino.) So long, Canada.",
">\n\nWho in the hell wants to venture outside in Manitoba In the winter anyway?",
">\n\nSo family guy was right about Canadian prisons. Interesting.",
">\n\nThat headline is dumb and intentionally misleading to push a political narrative. Do better OP",
">\n\nYou might want to check what sub you're in. Bad headlines are half the content here. \nAlso, do you think that I wrote the article? I didn't choose the headline, I know they've updated it since I posted, which is normal, but just look at the link, and it's obvious that was the original headline.",
">\n\nThis sub is for Headlines showing the real world being more/as absurd as the world of The Onion. The sub funny when the headlines are bad but weird & unexpected.\nHeadlines that your racist uncle would be excited to post on Facebook don’t belong here.",
">\n\nPeople walk away from minimum security prisons here in Canada frequently. They get to minimum because of good behaviour, or often go directly to minimum for serious but non-violent offences (fraud, etc.). I am told older inmates nearing the end of long sentences often \"escape\" because they are close to release and don't want to leave the system. Most escapees turn themselves back in or are recaptured peacefully.\nI lived near a minimum and medium institution , and my son worked there. It's a humane environment where rehabilitation is a big focus. And it works. I used to teach IT stuff in the minimum. One of my helpers was in for second degree murder and had learned programming during his sentence. He went on to a career in coding after release.",
">\n\nWtf is a murderer doing in minimum??",
">\n\nA murderer eligible for parole is in a transition house awaiting parole. Newsflash at 11!",
">\n\ndang they aint got enuf social workers in their to help dem males",
">\n\nFor context, this is coming on the heels of a convicted criminal with a history of violent offence being released on bail and subsequently murdering a police officer in an ambush. Canada is coming to grips with what it means to focus solely on rehabilitation at the expense of public safety. This may be the beginning of a pendulum swing. While healing lodges may be great in theory, what we are seeing following the Gladue report is violent prisoners with reduced sentences being released back in to their communities too soon and causing further issues. Recently a man who was released went on a killing spree with a knife and killed over a dozen people in his community."
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[
"Already back in custody. Turned herself in.",
">\n\nShe just needed to dip for a second. Grab some smokes and a coke. It's all good....right??",
">\n\nIt's Winnipeg! \nShe was grabbing a slurpee",
">\n\nSmokes are too expensive anyways",
">\n\nShe apparently just walked out the door. I guess minimum security is weirdly similar to zero security.",
">\n\nAnd she subsequently turned herself in. Seems like she was minimum security for a reason. This doesn't seem like the public is at serious risk.\nEdit:\nFor context, she's had substance abuse problems since she was 8, was sexually abused from the age of 11, and killed her partner (with whom she was in a toxic and abusive relationship - seems like the abuse went both ways) while seriously intoxicated, after having already made attempts to get help/support. Before killing him, she first tried to kill herself.\nIf you read her life history it's very sad. She is also currently eligible for parole (was given life but eligible after 10 years). \nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day. A lot of people want to see this as a failure because she managed to escape, but you can also see this as a success because afterwards she chose to do the responsible thing and quickly turned herself in.",
">\n\n\nGiven how much society failed her, it seems like we should bare the responsibility to rehabilitate rather then just lock her up and hide her away. Seems like it's working seeing as she turned herself in the next day.\n\nAh yes, personal responsibility doesn't exist, humans can't be held responsible for their own actions like dogs. \nIf a pet dog becomes obese, it's your fault.\nIf someone murders your loved ones, it's also your fault.",
">\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \nYou're basically just telling her to pull herself up by her bootstraps.",
">\n\n\nTry reading her life story. Society failed her in her most formative years. The end result is someone who doesn't stand a chance of just turning their life around on their own. \n\nLots of people grow up disadvantaged and in desperate/dangerous environments and almost all of them aren't murderers.\nJust because you were delt a bad hand in life doesn't mean you get to murder people and get off with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nHow dumb are you? It's like you read one or two sentences and now you know everything you need to know to make a hard line assumption. Then you manage to go and do it again! The ignorance is palpable",
">\n\nThey aren't dumb they just refuse to recognize shades of grey because if personal responsibility doesn't matter as much as he thinks it is, what has personal his effort amount to?\nIt's an existential fear.",
">\n\nI think intelligence 100% plays a role in their world view.",
">\n\n“Healing lodge” sounds like it could either be a rehabilitation centre (aka the biggest investment and best opportunity an American will ever be given by their government) or a torture chamber, nothing in between.\nThis headline also kind of sounds like panic food clickbait. If the person is left free to roam a low security place like that i’d imagine they have either been proven trustworthy and this is a test on their path to rehab, or it’s their only chance at proving their past doesn’t define them.",
">\n\nThis is in Canada. \nLol the states wouldn’t invest in healing lodges.",
">\n\nAww, i had just regained a tiny bit of faith in the US. Should’ve figured if it’s on the American continent and features even a sliver of sustainability or hope for the future it’d be in Canada…",
">\n\nIt doesn’t really seem like anyone tried to stop her, so it doesn’t sound like much of an escape",
">\n\nWell Attorney thurrrst0n, you're wrong.",
">\n\nThe title says \"murderer\", but there are several levels of killing someone, highest being premeditated murder to manslaughter. \nWhat was she charged with, convicted of? Her history kind of makes me believe her conviction was on the lower end.",
">\n\nSentencing also takes into account the circumstances, so it's not just one blanket sentence for each specific charge. The woman suffered a lot of childhood trauma, was in a toxic and abusive relationship, and tried to kill herself before she killed her partner. Add to all that the lingering generational trauma of Native people. I don't think a second chance should be out of the question for her if she's able to be helped into a more stable frame of mind and lifestyle through rehabilitation. It's not like she's a serial killer",
">\n\nDamn. Usually when people murder someone cuz their life is fucked up I always say why didn't you just kill yourself if life sucked so much, why kill someone else.\nBut she actually did try to kill herself first, poor woman must have truly felt trapped",
">\n\nGoing by all the other articles, she's not the only one to have escaped this place. They probably should increase security.",
">\n\nHealing lodge? Wtf.",
">\n\nI believe it's a place of incarceration for First Nations people, aimed at cultural rehabilitation",
">\n\nif she was convicted of murder and given a life sentence why the heck does she need to be \"culturally rehabilitated\"?",
">\n\nBecause she's eligible for parole after 10 years (which is now).",
">\n\na life sentence should be exactly that. if you kill someone you shouldn't be released after 10 years if you promise you'll be good.",
">\n\nCompletely agree. Our entire justice system should focus on punishment and removal of the problem. There is no room for rehabilitation in justice. \n/s",
">\n\nThis post needs way more love, it’s actually Oniony.",
">\n\nOnly Canada would put a convicted murderer on a minimum security retreat.",
">\n\nsays the dude who knows nothing about anything to do with this story\nJust stay in the basement and keep your voting limited to which map to play next",
">\n\nStop defending murderers its fucking dumb. No murderer should be in a minimum security prison that is just completely asinine. Guess it's not surprising coming from the country that let's cannibals walk free just because they forgot their meds that day. Yall act the rights of a freaking murderer are paramount to the safety of normal people.",
">\n\nWhat happened again? I read the article but forgot, can you remind me",
">\n\nOf course they did, why is a murderer not in prison?",
">\n\nShe already served 14 years in it first.",
">\n\nCool, she can serve the rest of her life too. \nI fully believe in rehablitating criminals but not for shit like murder or rape, if you do that shit and understood what you did Id rather you rot in jail than be let outside where they can possibly hurt an innocent victim.",
">\n\nhey did you read the article?",
">\n\nclearly you don't get it lmao",
">\n\nThis woman is a murderer. Why in hell is she in a healing lodge? Why is there one brand of justice for indigenous and another for everyone else? Treating ethnicities differently only leads to more racism.",
">\n\nPlease read your last sentence again and tell me what in actual fuck goes through your mind.",
">\n\nIs she Native?",
">\n\nThis used to mean you wouldn’t get back in a low security for a long ass time, if ever. That’s likely changed.",
">\n\nOh so long ago, I was trapped in Winnipeg's juvenile hall and forced to eat fried cow-liver. Yuk. Escaping from Winnipeg has always been one of my life's great glories. (I was deported on a Trailways bus to San Bernardino.) So long, Canada.",
">\n\nWho in the hell wants to venture outside in Manitoba In the winter anyway?",
">\n\nSo family guy was right about Canadian prisons. Interesting.",
">\n\nThat headline is dumb and intentionally misleading to push a political narrative. Do better OP",
">\n\nYou might want to check what sub you're in. Bad headlines are half the content here. \nAlso, do you think that I wrote the article? I didn't choose the headline, I know they've updated it since I posted, which is normal, but just look at the link, and it's obvious that was the original headline.",
">\n\nThis sub is for Headlines showing the real world being more/as absurd as the world of The Onion. The sub funny when the headlines are bad but weird & unexpected.\nHeadlines that your racist uncle would be excited to post on Facebook don’t belong here.",
">\n\nPeople walk away from minimum security prisons here in Canada frequently. They get to minimum because of good behaviour, or often go directly to minimum for serious but non-violent offences (fraud, etc.). I am told older inmates nearing the end of long sentences often \"escape\" because they are close to release and don't want to leave the system. Most escapees turn themselves back in or are recaptured peacefully.\nI lived near a minimum and medium institution , and my son worked there. It's a humane environment where rehabilitation is a big focus. And it works. I used to teach IT stuff in the minimum. One of my helpers was in for second degree murder and had learned programming during his sentence. He went on to a career in coding after release.",
">\n\nWtf is a murderer doing in minimum??",
">\n\nA murderer eligible for parole is in a transition house awaiting parole. Newsflash at 11!",
">\n\ndang they aint got enuf social workers in their to help dem males",
">\n\nFor context, this is coming on the heels of a convicted criminal with a history of violent offence being released on bail and subsequently murdering a police officer in an ambush. Canada is coming to grips with what it means to focus solely on rehabilitation at the expense of public safety. This may be the beginning of a pendulum swing. While healing lodges may be great in theory, what we are seeing following the Gladue report is violent prisoners with reduced sentences being released back in to their communities too soon and causing further issues. Recently a man who was released went on a killing spree with a knife and killed over a dozen people in his community.",
">\n\nI stumbled upon this in /r/Canada and the comments there were much more charged. I totally get why this subject would be contentious but the headline really reads like something from The Onion, more so than much of what's here IMO, so I figured it was worth posting."
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That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.
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More specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said "No, fuck you" was allowed to.
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"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded."
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That’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.
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[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to."
] |
>
And he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.
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[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted."
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>
Consequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen."
] |
>
Based
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds"
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All your base are belong to U.S.
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased"
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Only to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S."
] |
>
Save it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick."
] |
>
Makes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside)."
] |
>
And you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it."
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>
To be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline..."
] |
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And taking credit for it, fits their MO
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway."
] |
>
Maybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO"
] |
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It would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point..."
] |
>
They will be starting another grand jury in Georgia soon and the Special Counsel could subpoena Trump. Going to be much harder to avoid a DOJ subpoena compared to a Congressional one.
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...",
">\n\nIt would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?"
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>
Liz Cheney said she would do anything to stop trump from becoming president again. If trump isn’t barred from holding office, he will either win the republican primary and lose the general or lose the primary and run third party, losing the general. Letting him go is the best path to keeping him from office. He’s a self-destructive narcissist and he’ll bring himself down on his own.
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...",
">\n\nIt would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?",
">\n\nThey will be starting another grand jury in Georgia soon and the Special Counsel could subpoena Trump. Going to be much harder to avoid a DOJ subpoena compared to a Congressional one."
] |
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The only problem with that is justice would not be served...which in all likelyhood in this country won't be served anyway due to money and power, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have my fingers crossed that this time it will work.
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...",
">\n\nIt would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?",
">\n\nThey will be starting another grand jury in Georgia soon and the Special Counsel could subpoena Trump. Going to be much harder to avoid a DOJ subpoena compared to a Congressional one.",
">\n\nLiz Cheney said she would do anything to stop trump from becoming president again. If trump isn’t barred from holding office, he will either win the republican primary and lose the general or lose the primary and run third party, losing the general. Letting him go is the best path to keeping him from office. He’s a self-destructive narcissist and he’ll bring himself down on his own."
] |
>
...and Trump gets away again.
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...",
">\n\nIt would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?",
">\n\nThey will be starting another grand jury in Georgia soon and the Special Counsel could subpoena Trump. Going to be much harder to avoid a DOJ subpoena compared to a Congressional one.",
">\n\nLiz Cheney said she would do anything to stop trump from becoming president again. If trump isn’t barred from holding office, he will either win the republican primary and lose the general or lose the primary and run third party, losing the general. Letting him go is the best path to keeping him from office. He’s a self-destructive narcissist and he’ll bring himself down on his own.",
">\n\nThe only problem with that is justice would not be served...which in all likelyhood in this country won't be served anyway due to money and power, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have my fingers crossed that this time it will work."
] |
>
Right?! Like:
”The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony.”
…that was optional?? ffs 🤦🏻♀️
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...",
">\n\nIt would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?",
">\n\nThey will be starting another grand jury in Georgia soon and the Special Counsel could subpoena Trump. Going to be much harder to avoid a DOJ subpoena compared to a Congressional one.",
">\n\nLiz Cheney said she would do anything to stop trump from becoming president again. If trump isn’t barred from holding office, he will either win the republican primary and lose the general or lose the primary and run third party, losing the general. Letting him go is the best path to keeping him from office. He’s a self-destructive narcissist and he’ll bring himself down on his own.",
">\n\nThe only problem with that is justice would not be served...which in all likelyhood in this country won't be served anyway due to money and power, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have my fingers crossed that this time it will work.",
">\n\n...and Trump gets away again."
] |
>
And because it’s political theater
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...",
">\n\nIt would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?",
">\n\nThey will be starting another grand jury in Georgia soon and the Special Counsel could subpoena Trump. Going to be much harder to avoid a DOJ subpoena compared to a Congressional one.",
">\n\nLiz Cheney said she would do anything to stop trump from becoming president again. If trump isn’t barred from holding office, he will either win the republican primary and lose the general or lose the primary and run third party, losing the general. Letting him go is the best path to keeping him from office. He’s a self-destructive narcissist and he’ll bring himself down on his own.",
">\n\nThe only problem with that is justice would not be served...which in all likelyhood in this country won't be served anyway due to money and power, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have my fingers crossed that this time it will work.",
">\n\n...and Trump gets away again.",
">\n\nRight?! Like:\n\n”The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony.”\n\n…that was optional?? ffs 🤦🏻♀️"
] |
>
I mean, what do you think building a case is? It's usually a lawyer stringing a narrative together to show the story that the evidence supports. It's not like they just put up photos and goes "There it is! Look at it!" And then just walks away. That's what January 6 was. The examined the evidence and simply told what the evidence was saying by way of stringing together the extremely dense amount of evidence that existed.
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...",
">\n\nIt would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?",
">\n\nThey will be starting another grand jury in Georgia soon and the Special Counsel could subpoena Trump. Going to be much harder to avoid a DOJ subpoena compared to a Congressional one.",
">\n\nLiz Cheney said she would do anything to stop trump from becoming president again. If trump isn’t barred from holding office, he will either win the republican primary and lose the general or lose the primary and run third party, losing the general. Letting him go is the best path to keeping him from office. He’s a self-destructive narcissist and he’ll bring himself down on his own.",
">\n\nThe only problem with that is justice would not be served...which in all likelyhood in this country won't be served anyway due to money and power, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have my fingers crossed that this time it will work.",
">\n\n...and Trump gets away again.",
">\n\nRight?! Like:\n\n”The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony.”\n\n…that was optional?? ffs 🤦🏻♀️",
">\n\nAnd because it’s political theater"
] |
>
The Subpoena is dead. Long live the Subpoena!
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...",
">\n\nIt would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?",
">\n\nThey will be starting another grand jury in Georgia soon and the Special Counsel could subpoena Trump. Going to be much harder to avoid a DOJ subpoena compared to a Congressional one.",
">\n\nLiz Cheney said she would do anything to stop trump from becoming president again. If trump isn’t barred from holding office, he will either win the republican primary and lose the general or lose the primary and run third party, losing the general. Letting him go is the best path to keeping him from office. He’s a self-destructive narcissist and he’ll bring himself down on his own.",
">\n\nThe only problem with that is justice would not be served...which in all likelyhood in this country won't be served anyway due to money and power, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have my fingers crossed that this time it will work.",
">\n\n...and Trump gets away again.",
">\n\nRight?! Like:\n\n”The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony.”\n\n…that was optional?? ffs 🤦🏻♀️",
">\n\nAnd because it’s political theater",
">\n\nI mean, what do you think building a case is? It's usually a lawyer stringing a narrative together to show the story that the evidence supports. It's not like they just put up photos and goes \"There it is! Look at it!\" And then just walks away. That's what January 6 was. The examined the evidence and simply told what the evidence was saying by way of stringing together the extremely dense amount of evidence that existed."
] |
>
Pointless for trump to defend himself. The committee already knows the facts.
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...",
">\n\nIt would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?",
">\n\nThey will be starting another grand jury in Georgia soon and the Special Counsel could subpoena Trump. Going to be much harder to avoid a DOJ subpoena compared to a Congressional one.",
">\n\nLiz Cheney said she would do anything to stop trump from becoming president again. If trump isn’t barred from holding office, he will either win the republican primary and lose the general or lose the primary and run third party, losing the general. Letting him go is the best path to keeping him from office. He’s a self-destructive narcissist and he’ll bring himself down on his own.",
">\n\nThe only problem with that is justice would not be served...which in all likelyhood in this country won't be served anyway due to money and power, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have my fingers crossed that this time it will work.",
">\n\n...and Trump gets away again.",
">\n\nRight?! Like:\n\n”The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony.”\n\n…that was optional?? ffs 🤦🏻♀️",
">\n\nAnd because it’s political theater",
">\n\nI mean, what do you think building a case is? It's usually a lawyer stringing a narrative together to show the story that the evidence supports. It's not like they just put up photos and goes \"There it is! Look at it!\" And then just walks away. That's what January 6 was. The examined the evidence and simply told what the evidence was saying by way of stringing together the extremely dense amount of evidence that existed.",
">\n\nThe Subpoena is dead. Long live the Subpoena!"
] |
>
"we dont need any more of your lies" - them.
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...",
">\n\nIt would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?",
">\n\nThey will be starting another grand jury in Georgia soon and the Special Counsel could subpoena Trump. Going to be much harder to avoid a DOJ subpoena compared to a Congressional one.",
">\n\nLiz Cheney said she would do anything to stop trump from becoming president again. If trump isn’t barred from holding office, he will either win the republican primary and lose the general or lose the primary and run third party, losing the general. Letting him go is the best path to keeping him from office. He’s a self-destructive narcissist and he’ll bring himself down on his own.",
">\n\nThe only problem with that is justice would not be served...which in all likelyhood in this country won't be served anyway due to money and power, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have my fingers crossed that this time it will work.",
">\n\n...and Trump gets away again.",
">\n\nRight?! Like:\n\n”The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony.”\n\n…that was optional?? ffs 🤦🏻♀️",
">\n\nAnd because it’s political theater",
">\n\nI mean, what do you think building a case is? It's usually a lawyer stringing a narrative together to show the story that the evidence supports. It's not like they just put up photos and goes \"There it is! Look at it!\" And then just walks away. That's what January 6 was. The examined the evidence and simply told what the evidence was saying by way of stringing together the extremely dense amount of evidence that existed.",
">\n\nThe Subpoena is dead. Long live the Subpoena!",
">\n\nPointless for trump to defend himself. The committee already knows the facts."
] |
>
Toothless.
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...",
">\n\nIt would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?",
">\n\nThey will be starting another grand jury in Georgia soon and the Special Counsel could subpoena Trump. Going to be much harder to avoid a DOJ subpoena compared to a Congressional one.",
">\n\nLiz Cheney said she would do anything to stop trump from becoming president again. If trump isn’t barred from holding office, he will either win the republican primary and lose the general or lose the primary and run third party, losing the general. Letting him go is the best path to keeping him from office. He’s a self-destructive narcissist and he’ll bring himself down on his own.",
">\n\nThe only problem with that is justice would not be served...which in all likelyhood in this country won't be served anyway due to money and power, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have my fingers crossed that this time it will work.",
">\n\n...and Trump gets away again.",
">\n\nRight?! Like:\n\n”The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony.”\n\n…that was optional?? ffs 🤦🏻♀️",
">\n\nAnd because it’s political theater",
">\n\nI mean, what do you think building a case is? It's usually a lawyer stringing a narrative together to show the story that the evidence supports. It's not like they just put up photos and goes \"There it is! Look at it!\" And then just walks away. That's what January 6 was. The examined the evidence and simply told what the evidence was saying by way of stringing together the extremely dense amount of evidence that existed.",
">\n\nThe Subpoena is dead. Long live the Subpoena!",
">\n\nPointless for trump to defend himself. The committee already knows the facts.",
">\n\n\"we dont need any more of your lies\" - them."
] |
>
Jan. 6 Committee Withdraws Its Subpoena of Trump
This is strange. The wanted criminal charges against Trump.
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...",
">\n\nIt would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?",
">\n\nThey will be starting another grand jury in Georgia soon and the Special Counsel could subpoena Trump. Going to be much harder to avoid a DOJ subpoena compared to a Congressional one.",
">\n\nLiz Cheney said she would do anything to stop trump from becoming president again. If trump isn’t barred from holding office, he will either win the republican primary and lose the general or lose the primary and run third party, losing the general. Letting him go is the best path to keeping him from office. He’s a self-destructive narcissist and he’ll bring himself down on his own.",
">\n\nThe only problem with that is justice would not be served...which in all likelyhood in this country won't be served anyway due to money and power, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have my fingers crossed that this time it will work.",
">\n\n...and Trump gets away again.",
">\n\nRight?! Like:\n\n”The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony.”\n\n…that was optional?? ffs 🤦🏻♀️",
">\n\nAnd because it’s political theater",
">\n\nI mean, what do you think building a case is? It's usually a lawyer stringing a narrative together to show the story that the evidence supports. It's not like they just put up photos and goes \"There it is! Look at it!\" And then just walks away. That's what January 6 was. The examined the evidence and simply told what the evidence was saying by way of stringing together the extremely dense amount of evidence that existed.",
">\n\nThe Subpoena is dead. Long live the Subpoena!",
">\n\nPointless for trump to defend himself. The committee already knows the facts.",
">\n\n\"we dont need any more of your lies\" - them.",
">\n\nToothless."
] |
>
|
[
"That’s what happens when the committee is disbanded.",
">\n\nMore specifically: when subpoenas can't be enforced. They're feckless. The only subpoenas responded to were voluntary. Everyone who just said \"No, fuck you\" was allowed to.",
">\n\nThat’s not even true. Steve Bannon was convicted.",
">\n\nAnd he sits on his podcasts taking people's money and living fat and happy nary a consequence to be seen.",
">\n\nConsequences are for democrats, the poors and the coloreds",
">\n\nBased",
">\n\nAll your base are belong to U.S.",
">\n\nOnly to hand it off to the DOJ which has more power and the legal capability to make subpoenas stick.",
">\n\nSave it for the trial. Why give him an audience unnecessarily. Why on earth would you have him back there, with all his supporters( preferably outside).",
">\n\nMakes sense. The committee has done it's job and, even if it had more to do, it's toast at the beginning of the new congress. Pull it now and just let it go, because as silly as it may seem to make a big production out of canceling a subpoena, you can bet that one of the morons in charge of such things in the new congress would do it.",
">\n\nAnd you know they'd make it some huge breaking news headline...",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest, I'm still almost expecting them to do it anyway.",
">\n\nAnd taking credit for it, fits their MO",
">\n\nMaybe knowing he'd just lie his ass off and try to buy time like usual, what would be the point...",
">\n\nIt would have been nice to get him on record. But they subpoenaed him too late. Now what am I going to do with all this popcorn I bought?",
">\n\nThey will be starting another grand jury in Georgia soon and the Special Counsel could subpoena Trump. Going to be much harder to avoid a DOJ subpoena compared to a Congressional one.",
">\n\nLiz Cheney said she would do anything to stop trump from becoming president again. If trump isn’t barred from holding office, he will either win the republican primary and lose the general or lose the primary and run third party, losing the general. Letting him go is the best path to keeping him from office. He’s a self-destructive narcissist and he’ll bring himself down on his own.",
">\n\nThe only problem with that is justice would not be served...which in all likelyhood in this country won't be served anyway due to money and power, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have my fingers crossed that this time it will work.",
">\n\n...and Trump gets away again.",
">\n\nRight?! Like:\n\n”The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony.”\n\n…that was optional?? ffs 🤦🏻♀️",
">\n\nAnd because it’s political theater",
">\n\nI mean, what do you think building a case is? It's usually a lawyer stringing a narrative together to show the story that the evidence supports. It's not like they just put up photos and goes \"There it is! Look at it!\" And then just walks away. That's what January 6 was. The examined the evidence and simply told what the evidence was saying by way of stringing together the extremely dense amount of evidence that existed.",
">\n\nThe Subpoena is dead. Long live the Subpoena!",
">\n\nPointless for trump to defend himself. The committee already knows the facts.",
">\n\n\"we dont need any more of your lies\" - them.",
">\n\nToothless.",
">\n\n\nJan. 6 Committee Withdraws Its Subpoena of Trump\n\nThis is strange. The wanted criminal charges against Trump."
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This article has a lot more detail on the story
TL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.
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The jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.
The jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.
It's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.
It's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.
Seriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage."
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Yea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...
When I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone "everyone knows" is guilty that's one thing... but "beyond a reasonable doubt" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit."
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If they do that to convict someone "everyone knows" is guilty that's one thing...
yes, the WORST thing.
If 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.
At the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.
Remember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high."
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Just to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).
The tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'."
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Correct, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question."
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Exactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty."
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no, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait"
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Hall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.
On October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.
Hm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret."
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Hall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death...
... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.
Who selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death."
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It was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?"
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... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.
Either way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more."
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Well, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict."
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...come again?
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem."
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I need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?"
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised."
] |
>
A Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama"
] |
>
So he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever"
] |
>
And of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen.
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!"
] |
>
so the guy had an order to not speak to anyone w/o lawyers present but decided to do so when comedy central came by? then he blames comedy central for him saying/doing something incriminating when he should have just clammed up til his lawyer arrived?
i couldn't open article link so i'm curious what he said/said in comedy central footage, out of context or not, that lands him death penalty
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!",
">\n\nAnd of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen."
] |
>
Does anyone have a copy of the footage in question saved somewhere?
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!",
">\n\nAnd of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen.",
">\n\nso the guy had an order to not speak to anyone w/o lawyers present but decided to do so when comedy central came by? then he blames comedy central for him saying/doing something incriminating when he should have just clammed up til his lawyer arrived? \ni couldn't open article link so i'm curious what he said/said in comedy central footage, out of context or not, that lands him death penalty"
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>
Why not simply… stop killing prisoners?
I’m glad that our constitution specifically prohibits death sentences.
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!",
">\n\nAnd of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen.",
">\n\nso the guy had an order to not speak to anyone w/o lawyers present but decided to do so when comedy central came by? then he blames comedy central for him saying/doing something incriminating when he should have just clammed up til his lawyer arrived? \ni couldn't open article link so i'm curious what he said/said in comedy central footage, out of context or not, that lands him death penalty",
">\n\nDoes anyone have a copy of the footage in question saved somewhere?"
] |
>
Too bad 🖕🏾✌🏾
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!",
">\n\nAnd of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen.",
">\n\nso the guy had an order to not speak to anyone w/o lawyers present but decided to do so when comedy central came by? then he blames comedy central for him saying/doing something incriminating when he should have just clammed up til his lawyer arrived? \ni couldn't open article link so i'm curious what he said/said in comedy central footage, out of context or not, that lands him death penalty",
">\n\nDoes anyone have a copy of the footage in question saved somewhere?",
">\n\nWhy not simply… stop killing prisoners?\nI’m glad that our constitution specifically prohibits death sentences."
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Need to just abolish the death sentence.
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!",
">\n\nAnd of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen.",
">\n\nso the guy had an order to not speak to anyone w/o lawyers present but decided to do so when comedy central came by? then he blames comedy central for him saying/doing something incriminating when he should have just clammed up til his lawyer arrived? \ni couldn't open article link so i'm curious what he said/said in comedy central footage, out of context or not, that lands him death penalty",
">\n\nDoes anyone have a copy of the footage in question saved somewhere?",
">\n\nWhy not simply… stop killing prisoners?\nI’m glad that our constitution specifically prohibits death sentences.",
">\n\nToo bad 🖕🏾✌🏾"
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Frankly, the morality of the death penalty is such that any “trick” is justified to get out of it.
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!",
">\n\nAnd of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen.",
">\n\nso the guy had an order to not speak to anyone w/o lawyers present but decided to do so when comedy central came by? then he blames comedy central for him saying/doing something incriminating when he should have just clammed up til his lawyer arrived? \ni couldn't open article link so i'm curious what he said/said in comedy central footage, out of context or not, that lands him death penalty",
">\n\nDoes anyone have a copy of the footage in question saved somewhere?",
">\n\nWhy not simply… stop killing prisoners?\nI’m glad that our constitution specifically prohibits death sentences.",
">\n\nToo bad 🖕🏾✌🏾",
">\n\nNeed to just abolish the death sentence."
] |
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Kewpie doll looking motherfucker.
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!",
">\n\nAnd of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen.",
">\n\nso the guy had an order to not speak to anyone w/o lawyers present but decided to do so when comedy central came by? then he blames comedy central for him saying/doing something incriminating when he should have just clammed up til his lawyer arrived? \ni couldn't open article link so i'm curious what he said/said in comedy central footage, out of context or not, that lands him death penalty",
">\n\nDoes anyone have a copy of the footage in question saved somewhere?",
">\n\nWhy not simply… stop killing prisoners?\nI’m glad that our constitution specifically prohibits death sentences.",
">\n\nToo bad 🖕🏾✌🏾",
">\n\nNeed to just abolish the death sentence.",
">\n\nFrankly, the morality of the death penalty is such that any “trick” is justified to get out of it."
] |
>
Even if he wins what can they do, pay him?🤣🤣🤣🤣
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!",
">\n\nAnd of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen.",
">\n\nso the guy had an order to not speak to anyone w/o lawyers present but decided to do so when comedy central came by? then he blames comedy central for him saying/doing something incriminating when he should have just clammed up til his lawyer arrived? \ni couldn't open article link so i'm curious what he said/said in comedy central footage, out of context or not, that lands him death penalty",
">\n\nDoes anyone have a copy of the footage in question saved somewhere?",
">\n\nWhy not simply… stop killing prisoners?\nI’m glad that our constitution specifically prohibits death sentences.",
">\n\nToo bad 🖕🏾✌🏾",
">\n\nNeed to just abolish the death sentence.",
">\n\nFrankly, the morality of the death penalty is such that any “trick” is justified to get out of it.",
">\n\nKewpie doll looking motherfucker."
] |
>
So he agreed to be filmed off the record and discuss a murder he was already convicted of. They used that footage to help show the jury how guilty he was. Unfortunately that’s still a breach of rights. They didn’t need to show it honestly they already had him convicted with prior evidence. Now they may have botched their own death sentence verdict
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!",
">\n\nAnd of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen.",
">\n\nso the guy had an order to not speak to anyone w/o lawyers present but decided to do so when comedy central came by? then he blames comedy central for him saying/doing something incriminating when he should have just clammed up til his lawyer arrived? \ni couldn't open article link so i'm curious what he said/said in comedy central footage, out of context or not, that lands him death penalty",
">\n\nDoes anyone have a copy of the footage in question saved somewhere?",
">\n\nWhy not simply… stop killing prisoners?\nI’m glad that our constitution specifically prohibits death sentences.",
">\n\nToo bad 🖕🏾✌🏾",
">\n\nNeed to just abolish the death sentence.",
">\n\nFrankly, the morality of the death penalty is such that any “trick” is justified to get out of it.",
">\n\nKewpie doll looking motherfucker.",
">\n\nEven if he wins what can they do, pay him?🤣🤣🤣🤣"
] |
>
If you’d read, you’d see there was a no contact order in place such that no one was to have contact with him outside the presence of his lawyers.
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!",
">\n\nAnd of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen.",
">\n\nso the guy had an order to not speak to anyone w/o lawyers present but decided to do so when comedy central came by? then he blames comedy central for him saying/doing something incriminating when he should have just clammed up til his lawyer arrived? \ni couldn't open article link so i'm curious what he said/said in comedy central footage, out of context or not, that lands him death penalty",
">\n\nDoes anyone have a copy of the footage in question saved somewhere?",
">\n\nWhy not simply… stop killing prisoners?\nI’m glad that our constitution specifically prohibits death sentences.",
">\n\nToo bad 🖕🏾✌🏾",
">\n\nNeed to just abolish the death sentence.",
">\n\nFrankly, the morality of the death penalty is such that any “trick” is justified to get out of it.",
">\n\nKewpie doll looking motherfucker.",
">\n\nEven if he wins what can they do, pay him?🤣🤣🤣🤣",
">\n\nSo he agreed to be filmed off the record and discuss a murder he was already convicted of. They used that footage to help show the jury how guilty he was. Unfortunately that’s still a breach of rights. They didn’t need to show it honestly they already had him convicted with prior evidence. Now they may have botched their own death sentence verdict"
] |
>
So that recording was in breach of that? So it’s admissible as evidence? (Ay I got to say a thing)
|
[
"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!",
">\n\nAnd of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen.",
">\n\nso the guy had an order to not speak to anyone w/o lawyers present but decided to do so when comedy central came by? then he blames comedy central for him saying/doing something incriminating when he should have just clammed up til his lawyer arrived? \ni couldn't open article link so i'm curious what he said/said in comedy central footage, out of context or not, that lands him death penalty",
">\n\nDoes anyone have a copy of the footage in question saved somewhere?",
">\n\nWhy not simply… stop killing prisoners?\nI’m glad that our constitution specifically prohibits death sentences.",
">\n\nToo bad 🖕🏾✌🏾",
">\n\nNeed to just abolish the death sentence.",
">\n\nFrankly, the morality of the death penalty is such that any “trick” is justified to get out of it.",
">\n\nKewpie doll looking motherfucker.",
">\n\nEven if he wins what can they do, pay him?🤣🤣🤣🤣",
">\n\nSo he agreed to be filmed off the record and discuss a murder he was already convicted of. They used that footage to help show the jury how guilty he was. Unfortunately that’s still a breach of rights. They didn’t need to show it honestly they already had him convicted with prior evidence. Now they may have botched their own death sentence verdict",
">\n\nIf you’d read, you’d see there was a no contact order in place such that no one was to have contact with him outside the presence of his lawyers."
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I’m sure Comedy Central has violated all of our rights at some point.
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!",
">\n\nAnd of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen.",
">\n\nso the guy had an order to not speak to anyone w/o lawyers present but decided to do so when comedy central came by? then he blames comedy central for him saying/doing something incriminating when he should have just clammed up til his lawyer arrived? \ni couldn't open article link so i'm curious what he said/said in comedy central footage, out of context or not, that lands him death penalty",
">\n\nDoes anyone have a copy of the footage in question saved somewhere?",
">\n\nWhy not simply… stop killing prisoners?\nI’m glad that our constitution specifically prohibits death sentences.",
">\n\nToo bad 🖕🏾✌🏾",
">\n\nNeed to just abolish the death sentence.",
">\n\nFrankly, the morality of the death penalty is such that any “trick” is justified to get out of it.",
">\n\nKewpie doll looking motherfucker.",
">\n\nEven if he wins what can they do, pay him?🤣🤣🤣🤣",
">\n\nSo he agreed to be filmed off the record and discuss a murder he was already convicted of. They used that footage to help show the jury how guilty he was. Unfortunately that’s still a breach of rights. They didn’t need to show it honestly they already had him convicted with prior evidence. Now they may have botched their own death sentence verdict",
">\n\nIf you’d read, you’d see there was a no contact order in place such that no one was to have contact with him outside the presence of his lawyers.",
">\n\nSo that recording was in breach of that? So it’s admissible as evidence? (Ay I got to say a thing)"
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"This article has a lot more detail on the story\nTL;DR - Jeff Ross visited the prison to do a roast special, did interviews with inmates (who signed releases) to get material, and then some of that footage was used by the court in this guy’s sentencing. He’s now appealing the sentence on the grounds that the inmates’ lawyers were not notified about potential use of the footage.",
">\n\nThe jail had a 'no contact' order on file with the jail, while on remand (pre-trial detention), saying that under no circumstances was ANYONE to speak to him without his attorney's present.\nThe jail ignored a lawful notice, and then the prosecution used footage out of context to incriminate him at trial. State argues 'yeah, there was a no contact order in place, but comedy central isn't a state actor, so they don't count'.\nIt's the same thing that cops used to do, try and persuade 3rd parties to act like cops to get them evidence they couldn't otherwise get, like bribing bestbuy geeksquad people to [illegally] snoop through peoples hard drives and account infor to look for any evidence of potential crimes, which they 'report' having 'just come across it'. The geeks committed multiple crimes, and the evidence is fraudulently obtained, but courts let it in because 'they're not state actors', and mysteriously the prosecutors fail the do anything about the criminal acts.\nIt's just any attempt to get around legal protections and throw legal rights out the window in the desire to 'get that conviction' (a bit like the story that came out today, of the cop who's spent almost 20 years marketing '911 call analysis', which almost no-one not a cop has heard of, and outside of his own little private study (that no-one has seen the data to) there have been 5 studies done all showing it's crap, but the cops and FBI are still putting it out there as good, and intimidating people with it.\nSeriously, you should read the expo on that. It's more 'bite mark' and 'stitch pattern' bullshit.",
">\n\nYea, sounds like the inmate is a piece of shit murderer but that doesn't mean his rights weren't violated...\nWhen I was younger I used to be of the mindset that bad people(like murderers) didn't deserve to be treated like humans and I was a proponent of punishment(including the death penalty). As I have gotten older and the more I learn and understand about just how flawed our legal system is and how many incompetent cops and prosecutors are out there and how unreliable witnesses and evidence can be the more I have changed my views. Allowing ways to bypass rights and due process just opens up avenues for lazy cops and prosecutors to abuse our legal system even more than they currently do. If they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... but \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" needs to set that bar... not violating someones rights... otherwise, the risk to innocent people getting convicted is just too high.",
">\n\n\nIf they do that to convict someone \"everyone knows\" is guilty that's one thing... \n\nyes, the WORST thing.\nIf 'everyone knows' it, why don't you have lots of properly acquired evidence to prove it.\nAt the witch trials 'everyone knew' they were a witch.\nRemember, what 'everyone knows', is usually '100 bullshit'.",
">\n\nJust to be clear, the guy was found guilty without this tape (meaning they had evidence beyond reasonable doubt).\nThe tape was used during sentencing to determine what penalty he should get. The fact that he's a murderer is not in question.",
">\n\nCorrect, they used this tape, shown heavily out of context, to show the jury he had no remorse, lading to the death penalty.",
">\n\nExactly, I'm just raising it because your points about the witch trials seemed to imply that he wasn't a convicted murderer. In this specific case his only options were to die in prison, the only thing for debate was how long he had to wait",
">\n\nno, I was talking about the 'everyone knew', that's 'prejudicial', and can cause a mistrial. And no, He could have gotten as little as 20 years if I've read the court documents right. That's why the Prosecution went for this out of context video, to try and show a lack of regret.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death.\nOn October 10, 2011, Hall entered a Brazos County residence where he fatally stabbed and shot a 68-year-old male; he also stabbed the victim's 69-year-old wife, who survived the attack.\n\nHm. I'm no lawyer, but I think probably the murder conviction was what was principally used to sentence him to death.",
">\n\n\nHall's legal team is now arguing that footage from the special was later used to sentence their client to death... \n... However, Hall's legal team is claiming that additional footage, outside that segment, was later presented to the Brazos County Jury before they voted to sentence him to death.\n\nWho selected this footage and where, when and why was it shown to the jurors prior to sentencing?",
">\n\nIt was probably part of the approved evidence. My guess is that the approval was for a specific time frame but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.",
">\n\n\n... but when they played the video they fucked up and showed a few seconds more.\n\nEither way, it could be interpreted as a form of 'jury tampering' and, consequently, leading to a biased and unsafe verdict.",
">\n\nWell, not arguing against or for it. Just saying this is how I interpreted the situation. I think that it heavily depends on what the actual clip showed. If this was just some random video which has nothing to do with the case I do not see any grounds. But if the video made any suggestions regarding the case then I see how this may be a problem.",
">\n\n...come again?",
">\n\nI need to rest a bit. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.",
">\n\nr/unexpectedfuturama",
">\n\nA Futurama reference on REDDIT?? How unexpected!!! - no one, ever",
">\n\nSo he’s appealing the sentence and not the conviction. It’s still an error by the state to have the footage but he’ll never get a judge to agree. I mean Texas!!",
">\n\nAnd of course there will be zero consequences for either the Prosecutor or the jail officials that let this happen.",
">\n\nso the guy had an order to not speak to anyone w/o lawyers present but decided to do so when comedy central came by? then he blames comedy central for him saying/doing something incriminating when he should have just clammed up til his lawyer arrived? \ni couldn't open article link so i'm curious what he said/said in comedy central footage, out of context or not, that lands him death penalty",
">\n\nDoes anyone have a copy of the footage in question saved somewhere?",
">\n\nWhy not simply… stop killing prisoners?\nI’m glad that our constitution specifically prohibits death sentences.",
">\n\nToo bad 🖕🏾✌🏾",
">\n\nNeed to just abolish the death sentence.",
">\n\nFrankly, the morality of the death penalty is such that any “trick” is justified to get out of it.",
">\n\nKewpie doll looking motherfucker.",
">\n\nEven if he wins what can they do, pay him?🤣🤣🤣🤣",
">\n\nSo he agreed to be filmed off the record and discuss a murder he was already convicted of. They used that footage to help show the jury how guilty he was. Unfortunately that’s still a breach of rights. They didn’t need to show it honestly they already had him convicted with prior evidence. Now they may have botched their own death sentence verdict",
">\n\nIf you’d read, you’d see there was a no contact order in place such that no one was to have contact with him outside the presence of his lawyers.",
">\n\nSo that recording was in breach of that? So it’s admissible as evidence? (Ay I got to say a thing)",
">\n\nI’m sure Comedy Central has violated all of our rights at some point."
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Unfortunately sometimes the path to true peace is to fight. If Ukraine negotiates with Russia, and the resulting agreement ends with Russia holding any more land than when they started this war the lesson will be that military conquest is still a viable strategy, and it will only be a matter of time before Putin decides to take another bite, or someone else decides to attack their neighbour, because, hey it worked for Russia. And if a peace is agreed to, the sanctions will probably be lifted, and the lesson taken from that will be that if you can tough out the sanctions and force your opponent to the negotiation table the sanctions will disappear, which will only encourage escalation.
Peace is a good goal, but without looking at the consequences and the lessons that will be taught, it will only be a fleeting thing.
In my opinion, a large part of the cause of WW2 were the conditions attached to the peace after WW1, and Chamberlain's proclamation of "peace in our time" probably increased the chances of a large scale war, when a less peaceful response might have averted the conflict escalating to the point that it did...
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Neville Chamberlain takes all the blame but people need to remember that the UK and France were democracies and that another war with Germany was wholly unpopular. Sure, we have the benefit of hindsight and knowing that France could have entirely destroyed the German state had they invaded while Germany was busy invading Poland... But the world doesn't work that way. A more aggressive posture from Chamberlain at the time likely would have just resulted in him being forced to resign.
As you rightfully point to the Treaty of Versailles as in many ways creating a scenario that would inevitably lead to a second war, have to understand that Russians feel the same way about the break up of the Soviet Union.
Recall the first world war, and the infamous Treaty of Brest Litovsk that ended the Russian Empires participation in the war. I think people forget that unlike in WW2, in the Great War Germany actually won on the eastern front and forced Russian surrender. This treaty would have deprived the Russian Empire of Finland, the Baltic States, and Ukraine.. This was seen as so cruel and intolerable that the Western Allies reversed it at the end of the war.
Now, compare the European territory lost in the Treaty of Brest Litovsk to the European territory lost in the Breakup of Soviet Union and you start to understand the Russian perspective. Territory that the entire world once understood to be Russian and allowed to remain so despite German conquest, less than 80 years later, a single lifetime, the world now acts like that territory should have never been Russian to begin with..
To be clear I'm not suggesting Russia should reconquer Soviet states, even if she were militarily capable of that. My point is only that a basis for an honest peace with Russia would be better if the West used Putins own logic against him rather than negotiate from a position of idealism.
While there might be a semblance of truth to Putins claim that the end of WW2/USSR left the world with historically anachronistic borders, it would be good to remind him that Russia benefited from that as well, namely Kaliningrad in Europe and the Kuril/Sakhalin island of Japan. The cession of those territories should be the first thing in any deal to recognize Crimea.
And for the record, this resulting agreement that military conquest is still a viable strategy against countries not in NATO is simply the status quo since NATOs inception. Changes nothing
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"Unfortunately sometimes the path to true peace is to fight. If Ukraine negotiates with Russia, and the resulting agreement ends with Russia holding any more land than when they started this war the lesson will be that military conquest is still a viable strategy, and it will only be a matter of time before Putin decides to take another bite, or someone else decides to attack their neighbour, because, hey it worked for Russia. And if a peace is agreed to, the sanctions will probably be lifted, and the lesson taken from that will be that if you can tough out the sanctions and force your opponent to the negotiation table the sanctions will disappear, which will only encourage escalation. \nPeace is a good goal, but without looking at the consequences and the lessons that will be taught, it will only be a fleeting thing.\nIn my opinion, a large part of the cause of WW2 were the conditions attached to the peace after WW1, and Chamberlain's proclamation of \"peace in our time\" probably increased the chances of a large scale war, when a less peaceful response might have averted the conflict escalating to the point that it did..."
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The comparison between the treaty of Versailles and the collapse of the USSR seems like one hell of a false equivalence, and suggesting anybody cater to it seems like trying to beat Putin at a rigged game.
Yeah, Versailles was a terrible solution in hindsight. But Germany had quite a bit of culpability in the millions of lives lost in the war, and the harsh terms can be understood from that perspective.
The USSR collapsed under its own weight. The other Soviet states chose to become independent. It’s literally nothing but petulant entitlement for the Russian Federation to lay claim to any part of them now.
If they want a more regional power base to counter NATO, perhaps they should try diplomacy rather than dick swinging, manipulation and conquest.
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"Unfortunately sometimes the path to true peace is to fight. If Ukraine negotiates with Russia, and the resulting agreement ends with Russia holding any more land than when they started this war the lesson will be that military conquest is still a viable strategy, and it will only be a matter of time before Putin decides to take another bite, or someone else decides to attack their neighbour, because, hey it worked for Russia. And if a peace is agreed to, the sanctions will probably be lifted, and the lesson taken from that will be that if you can tough out the sanctions and force your opponent to the negotiation table the sanctions will disappear, which will only encourage escalation. \nPeace is a good goal, but without looking at the consequences and the lessons that will be taught, it will only be a fleeting thing.\nIn my opinion, a large part of the cause of WW2 were the conditions attached to the peace after WW1, and Chamberlain's proclamation of \"peace in our time\" probably increased the chances of a large scale war, when a less peaceful response might have averted the conflict escalating to the point that it did...",
">\n\nNeville Chamberlain takes all the blame but people need to remember that the UK and France were democracies and that another war with Germany was wholly unpopular. Sure, we have the benefit of hindsight and knowing that France could have entirely destroyed the German state had they invaded while Germany was busy invading Poland... But the world doesn't work that way. A more aggressive posture from Chamberlain at the time likely would have just resulted in him being forced to resign.\nAs you rightfully point to the Treaty of Versailles as in many ways creating a scenario that would inevitably lead to a second war, have to understand that Russians feel the same way about the break up of the Soviet Union.\nRecall the first world war, and the infamous Treaty of Brest Litovsk that ended the Russian Empires participation in the war. I think people forget that unlike in WW2, in the Great War Germany actually won on the eastern front and forced Russian surrender. This treaty would have deprived the Russian Empire of Finland, the Baltic States, and Ukraine.. This was seen as so cruel and intolerable that the Western Allies reversed it at the end of the war.\nNow, compare the European territory lost in the Treaty of Brest Litovsk to the European territory lost in the Breakup of Soviet Union and you start to understand the Russian perspective. Territory that the entire world once understood to be Russian and allowed to remain so despite German conquest, less than 80 years later, a single lifetime, the world now acts like that territory should have never been Russian to begin with..\nTo be clear I'm not suggesting Russia should reconquer Soviet states, even if she were militarily capable of that. My point is only that a basis for an honest peace with Russia would be better if the West used Putins own logic against him rather than negotiate from a position of idealism. \nWhile there might be a semblance of truth to Putins claim that the end of WW2/USSR left the world with historically anachronistic borders, it would be good to remind him that Russia benefited from that as well, namely Kaliningrad in Europe and the Kuril/Sakhalin island of Japan. The cession of those territories should be the first thing in any deal to recognize Crimea.\nAnd for the record, this resulting agreement that military conquest is still a viable strategy against countries not in NATO is simply the status quo since NATOs inception. Changes nothing"
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Russia is not serious about peace negotiation. Putin must be dreaming that no matter how painful it is Russia will emerge as final victor except as time passes he will be strangulated financially, his military ruined, his country end up as pariah of the West.
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"Unfortunately sometimes the path to true peace is to fight. If Ukraine negotiates with Russia, and the resulting agreement ends with Russia holding any more land than when they started this war the lesson will be that military conquest is still a viable strategy, and it will only be a matter of time before Putin decides to take another bite, or someone else decides to attack their neighbour, because, hey it worked for Russia. And if a peace is agreed to, the sanctions will probably be lifted, and the lesson taken from that will be that if you can tough out the sanctions and force your opponent to the negotiation table the sanctions will disappear, which will only encourage escalation. \nPeace is a good goal, but without looking at the consequences and the lessons that will be taught, it will only be a fleeting thing.\nIn my opinion, a large part of the cause of WW2 were the conditions attached to the peace after WW1, and Chamberlain's proclamation of \"peace in our time\" probably increased the chances of a large scale war, when a less peaceful response might have averted the conflict escalating to the point that it did...",
">\n\nNeville Chamberlain takes all the blame but people need to remember that the UK and France were democracies and that another war with Germany was wholly unpopular. Sure, we have the benefit of hindsight and knowing that France could have entirely destroyed the German state had they invaded while Germany was busy invading Poland... But the world doesn't work that way. A more aggressive posture from Chamberlain at the time likely would have just resulted in him being forced to resign.\nAs you rightfully point to the Treaty of Versailles as in many ways creating a scenario that would inevitably lead to a second war, have to understand that Russians feel the same way about the break up of the Soviet Union.\nRecall the first world war, and the infamous Treaty of Brest Litovsk that ended the Russian Empires participation in the war. I think people forget that unlike in WW2, in the Great War Germany actually won on the eastern front and forced Russian surrender. This treaty would have deprived the Russian Empire of Finland, the Baltic States, and Ukraine.. This was seen as so cruel and intolerable that the Western Allies reversed it at the end of the war.\nNow, compare the European territory lost in the Treaty of Brest Litovsk to the European territory lost in the Breakup of Soviet Union and you start to understand the Russian perspective. Territory that the entire world once understood to be Russian and allowed to remain so despite German conquest, less than 80 years later, a single lifetime, the world now acts like that territory should have never been Russian to begin with..\nTo be clear I'm not suggesting Russia should reconquer Soviet states, even if she were militarily capable of that. My point is only that a basis for an honest peace with Russia would be better if the West used Putins own logic against him rather than negotiate from a position of idealism. \nWhile there might be a semblance of truth to Putins claim that the end of WW2/USSR left the world with historically anachronistic borders, it would be good to remind him that Russia benefited from that as well, namely Kaliningrad in Europe and the Kuril/Sakhalin island of Japan. The cession of those territories should be the first thing in any deal to recognize Crimea.\nAnd for the record, this resulting agreement that military conquest is still a viable strategy against countries not in NATO is simply the status quo since NATOs inception. Changes nothing",
">\n\nThe comparison between the treaty of Versailles and the collapse of the USSR seems like one hell of a false equivalence, and suggesting anybody cater to it seems like trying to beat Putin at a rigged game. \nYeah, Versailles was a terrible solution in hindsight. But Germany had quite a bit of culpability in the millions of lives lost in the war, and the harsh terms can be understood from that perspective. \nThe USSR collapsed under its own weight. The other Soviet states chose to become independent. It’s literally nothing but petulant entitlement for the Russian Federation to lay claim to any part of them now. \nIf they want a more regional power base to counter NATO, perhaps they should try diplomacy rather than dick swinging, manipulation and conquest."
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strangulated financially, his military ruined, his country end up as pariah of the West.
1 and 3 are givens. We have no idea how true 2 is.
Peace negotiations should be inevitable because neither side wants a forever war. Or is that a bad assumption?
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"Unfortunately sometimes the path to true peace is to fight. If Ukraine negotiates with Russia, and the resulting agreement ends with Russia holding any more land than when they started this war the lesson will be that military conquest is still a viable strategy, and it will only be a matter of time before Putin decides to take another bite, or someone else decides to attack their neighbour, because, hey it worked for Russia. And if a peace is agreed to, the sanctions will probably be lifted, and the lesson taken from that will be that if you can tough out the sanctions and force your opponent to the negotiation table the sanctions will disappear, which will only encourage escalation. \nPeace is a good goal, but without looking at the consequences and the lessons that will be taught, it will only be a fleeting thing.\nIn my opinion, a large part of the cause of WW2 were the conditions attached to the peace after WW1, and Chamberlain's proclamation of \"peace in our time\" probably increased the chances of a large scale war, when a less peaceful response might have averted the conflict escalating to the point that it did...",
">\n\nNeville Chamberlain takes all the blame but people need to remember that the UK and France were democracies and that another war with Germany was wholly unpopular. Sure, we have the benefit of hindsight and knowing that France could have entirely destroyed the German state had they invaded while Germany was busy invading Poland... But the world doesn't work that way. A more aggressive posture from Chamberlain at the time likely would have just resulted in him being forced to resign.\nAs you rightfully point to the Treaty of Versailles as in many ways creating a scenario that would inevitably lead to a second war, have to understand that Russians feel the same way about the break up of the Soviet Union.\nRecall the first world war, and the infamous Treaty of Brest Litovsk that ended the Russian Empires participation in the war. I think people forget that unlike in WW2, in the Great War Germany actually won on the eastern front and forced Russian surrender. This treaty would have deprived the Russian Empire of Finland, the Baltic States, and Ukraine.. This was seen as so cruel and intolerable that the Western Allies reversed it at the end of the war.\nNow, compare the European territory lost in the Treaty of Brest Litovsk to the European territory lost in the Breakup of Soviet Union and you start to understand the Russian perspective. Territory that the entire world once understood to be Russian and allowed to remain so despite German conquest, less than 80 years later, a single lifetime, the world now acts like that territory should have never been Russian to begin with..\nTo be clear I'm not suggesting Russia should reconquer Soviet states, even if she were militarily capable of that. My point is only that a basis for an honest peace with Russia would be better if the West used Putins own logic against him rather than negotiate from a position of idealism. \nWhile there might be a semblance of truth to Putins claim that the end of WW2/USSR left the world with historically anachronistic borders, it would be good to remind him that Russia benefited from that as well, namely Kaliningrad in Europe and the Kuril/Sakhalin island of Japan. The cession of those territories should be the first thing in any deal to recognize Crimea.\nAnd for the record, this resulting agreement that military conquest is still a viable strategy against countries not in NATO is simply the status quo since NATOs inception. Changes nothing",
">\n\nThe comparison between the treaty of Versailles and the collapse of the USSR seems like one hell of a false equivalence, and suggesting anybody cater to it seems like trying to beat Putin at a rigged game. \nYeah, Versailles was a terrible solution in hindsight. But Germany had quite a bit of culpability in the millions of lives lost in the war, and the harsh terms can be understood from that perspective. \nThe USSR collapsed under its own weight. The other Soviet states chose to become independent. It’s literally nothing but petulant entitlement for the Russian Federation to lay claim to any part of them now. \nIf they want a more regional power base to counter NATO, perhaps they should try diplomacy rather than dick swinging, manipulation and conquest.",
">\n\nRussia is not serious about peace negotiation. Putin must be dreaming that no matter how painful it is Russia will emerge as final victor except as time passes he will be strangulated financially, his military ruined, his country end up as pariah of the West."
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South and Best Korea are still at war.
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"Unfortunately sometimes the path to true peace is to fight. If Ukraine negotiates with Russia, and the resulting agreement ends with Russia holding any more land than when they started this war the lesson will be that military conquest is still a viable strategy, and it will only be a matter of time before Putin decides to take another bite, or someone else decides to attack their neighbour, because, hey it worked for Russia. And if a peace is agreed to, the sanctions will probably be lifted, and the lesson taken from that will be that if you can tough out the sanctions and force your opponent to the negotiation table the sanctions will disappear, which will only encourage escalation. \nPeace is a good goal, but without looking at the consequences and the lessons that will be taught, it will only be a fleeting thing.\nIn my opinion, a large part of the cause of WW2 were the conditions attached to the peace after WW1, and Chamberlain's proclamation of \"peace in our time\" probably increased the chances of a large scale war, when a less peaceful response might have averted the conflict escalating to the point that it did...",
">\n\nNeville Chamberlain takes all the blame but people need to remember that the UK and France were democracies and that another war with Germany was wholly unpopular. Sure, we have the benefit of hindsight and knowing that France could have entirely destroyed the German state had they invaded while Germany was busy invading Poland... But the world doesn't work that way. A more aggressive posture from Chamberlain at the time likely would have just resulted in him being forced to resign.\nAs you rightfully point to the Treaty of Versailles as in many ways creating a scenario that would inevitably lead to a second war, have to understand that Russians feel the same way about the break up of the Soviet Union.\nRecall the first world war, and the infamous Treaty of Brest Litovsk that ended the Russian Empires participation in the war. I think people forget that unlike in WW2, in the Great War Germany actually won on the eastern front and forced Russian surrender. This treaty would have deprived the Russian Empire of Finland, the Baltic States, and Ukraine.. This was seen as so cruel and intolerable that the Western Allies reversed it at the end of the war.\nNow, compare the European territory lost in the Treaty of Brest Litovsk to the European territory lost in the Breakup of Soviet Union and you start to understand the Russian perspective. Territory that the entire world once understood to be Russian and allowed to remain so despite German conquest, less than 80 years later, a single lifetime, the world now acts like that territory should have never been Russian to begin with..\nTo be clear I'm not suggesting Russia should reconquer Soviet states, even if she were militarily capable of that. My point is only that a basis for an honest peace with Russia would be better if the West used Putins own logic against him rather than negotiate from a position of idealism. \nWhile there might be a semblance of truth to Putins claim that the end of WW2/USSR left the world with historically anachronistic borders, it would be good to remind him that Russia benefited from that as well, namely Kaliningrad in Europe and the Kuril/Sakhalin island of Japan. The cession of those territories should be the first thing in any deal to recognize Crimea.\nAnd for the record, this resulting agreement that military conquest is still a viable strategy against countries not in NATO is simply the status quo since NATOs inception. Changes nothing",
">\n\nThe comparison between the treaty of Versailles and the collapse of the USSR seems like one hell of a false equivalence, and suggesting anybody cater to it seems like trying to beat Putin at a rigged game. \nYeah, Versailles was a terrible solution in hindsight. But Germany had quite a bit of culpability in the millions of lives lost in the war, and the harsh terms can be understood from that perspective. \nThe USSR collapsed under its own weight. The other Soviet states chose to become independent. It’s literally nothing but petulant entitlement for the Russian Federation to lay claim to any part of them now. \nIf they want a more regional power base to counter NATO, perhaps they should try diplomacy rather than dick swinging, manipulation and conquest.",
">\n\nRussia is not serious about peace negotiation. Putin must be dreaming that no matter how painful it is Russia will emerge as final victor except as time passes he will be strangulated financially, his military ruined, his country end up as pariah of the West.",
">\n\n\nstrangulated financially, his military ruined, his country end up as pariah of the West.\n\n1 and 3 are givens. We have no idea how true 2 is. \nPeace negotiations should be inevitable because neither side wants a forever war. Or is that a bad assumption?"
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At least they stopped killing each other
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[
"Unfortunately sometimes the path to true peace is to fight. If Ukraine negotiates with Russia, and the resulting agreement ends with Russia holding any more land than when they started this war the lesson will be that military conquest is still a viable strategy, and it will only be a matter of time before Putin decides to take another bite, or someone else decides to attack their neighbour, because, hey it worked for Russia. And if a peace is agreed to, the sanctions will probably be lifted, and the lesson taken from that will be that if you can tough out the sanctions and force your opponent to the negotiation table the sanctions will disappear, which will only encourage escalation. \nPeace is a good goal, but without looking at the consequences and the lessons that will be taught, it will only be a fleeting thing.\nIn my opinion, a large part of the cause of WW2 were the conditions attached to the peace after WW1, and Chamberlain's proclamation of \"peace in our time\" probably increased the chances of a large scale war, when a less peaceful response might have averted the conflict escalating to the point that it did...",
">\n\nNeville Chamberlain takes all the blame but people need to remember that the UK and France were democracies and that another war with Germany was wholly unpopular. Sure, we have the benefit of hindsight and knowing that France could have entirely destroyed the German state had they invaded while Germany was busy invading Poland... But the world doesn't work that way. A more aggressive posture from Chamberlain at the time likely would have just resulted in him being forced to resign.\nAs you rightfully point to the Treaty of Versailles as in many ways creating a scenario that would inevitably lead to a second war, have to understand that Russians feel the same way about the break up of the Soviet Union.\nRecall the first world war, and the infamous Treaty of Brest Litovsk that ended the Russian Empires participation in the war. I think people forget that unlike in WW2, in the Great War Germany actually won on the eastern front and forced Russian surrender. This treaty would have deprived the Russian Empire of Finland, the Baltic States, and Ukraine.. This was seen as so cruel and intolerable that the Western Allies reversed it at the end of the war.\nNow, compare the European territory lost in the Treaty of Brest Litovsk to the European territory lost in the Breakup of Soviet Union and you start to understand the Russian perspective. Territory that the entire world once understood to be Russian and allowed to remain so despite German conquest, less than 80 years later, a single lifetime, the world now acts like that territory should have never been Russian to begin with..\nTo be clear I'm not suggesting Russia should reconquer Soviet states, even if she were militarily capable of that. My point is only that a basis for an honest peace with Russia would be better if the West used Putins own logic against him rather than negotiate from a position of idealism. \nWhile there might be a semblance of truth to Putins claim that the end of WW2/USSR left the world with historically anachronistic borders, it would be good to remind him that Russia benefited from that as well, namely Kaliningrad in Europe and the Kuril/Sakhalin island of Japan. The cession of those territories should be the first thing in any deal to recognize Crimea.\nAnd for the record, this resulting agreement that military conquest is still a viable strategy against countries not in NATO is simply the status quo since NATOs inception. Changes nothing",
">\n\nThe comparison between the treaty of Versailles and the collapse of the USSR seems like one hell of a false equivalence, and suggesting anybody cater to it seems like trying to beat Putin at a rigged game. \nYeah, Versailles was a terrible solution in hindsight. But Germany had quite a bit of culpability in the millions of lives lost in the war, and the harsh terms can be understood from that perspective. \nThe USSR collapsed under its own weight. The other Soviet states chose to become independent. It’s literally nothing but petulant entitlement for the Russian Federation to lay claim to any part of them now. \nIf they want a more regional power base to counter NATO, perhaps they should try diplomacy rather than dick swinging, manipulation and conquest.",
">\n\nRussia is not serious about peace negotiation. Putin must be dreaming that no matter how painful it is Russia will emerge as final victor except as time passes he will be strangulated financially, his military ruined, his country end up as pariah of the West.",
">\n\n\nstrangulated financially, his military ruined, his country end up as pariah of the West.\n\n1 and 3 are givens. We have no idea how true 2 is. \nPeace negotiations should be inevitable because neither side wants a forever war. Or is that a bad assumption?",
">\n\nSouth and Best Korea are still at war."
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just saying that everything is still on the table at the moment.
There will be no peace talks until Ukraine feels secure enough, as 0 trust is given to Russian words.
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[
"Unfortunately sometimes the path to true peace is to fight. If Ukraine negotiates with Russia, and the resulting agreement ends with Russia holding any more land than when they started this war the lesson will be that military conquest is still a viable strategy, and it will only be a matter of time before Putin decides to take another bite, or someone else decides to attack their neighbour, because, hey it worked for Russia. And if a peace is agreed to, the sanctions will probably be lifted, and the lesson taken from that will be that if you can tough out the sanctions and force your opponent to the negotiation table the sanctions will disappear, which will only encourage escalation. \nPeace is a good goal, but without looking at the consequences and the lessons that will be taught, it will only be a fleeting thing.\nIn my opinion, a large part of the cause of WW2 were the conditions attached to the peace after WW1, and Chamberlain's proclamation of \"peace in our time\" probably increased the chances of a large scale war, when a less peaceful response might have averted the conflict escalating to the point that it did...",
">\n\nNeville Chamberlain takes all the blame but people need to remember that the UK and France were democracies and that another war with Germany was wholly unpopular. Sure, we have the benefit of hindsight and knowing that France could have entirely destroyed the German state had they invaded while Germany was busy invading Poland... But the world doesn't work that way. A more aggressive posture from Chamberlain at the time likely would have just resulted in him being forced to resign.\nAs you rightfully point to the Treaty of Versailles as in many ways creating a scenario that would inevitably lead to a second war, have to understand that Russians feel the same way about the break up of the Soviet Union.\nRecall the first world war, and the infamous Treaty of Brest Litovsk that ended the Russian Empires participation in the war. I think people forget that unlike in WW2, in the Great War Germany actually won on the eastern front and forced Russian surrender. This treaty would have deprived the Russian Empire of Finland, the Baltic States, and Ukraine.. This was seen as so cruel and intolerable that the Western Allies reversed it at the end of the war.\nNow, compare the European territory lost in the Treaty of Brest Litovsk to the European territory lost in the Breakup of Soviet Union and you start to understand the Russian perspective. Territory that the entire world once understood to be Russian and allowed to remain so despite German conquest, less than 80 years later, a single lifetime, the world now acts like that territory should have never been Russian to begin with..\nTo be clear I'm not suggesting Russia should reconquer Soviet states, even if she were militarily capable of that. My point is only that a basis for an honest peace with Russia would be better if the West used Putins own logic against him rather than negotiate from a position of idealism. \nWhile there might be a semblance of truth to Putins claim that the end of WW2/USSR left the world with historically anachronistic borders, it would be good to remind him that Russia benefited from that as well, namely Kaliningrad in Europe and the Kuril/Sakhalin island of Japan. The cession of those territories should be the first thing in any deal to recognize Crimea.\nAnd for the record, this resulting agreement that military conquest is still a viable strategy against countries not in NATO is simply the status quo since NATOs inception. Changes nothing",
">\n\nThe comparison between the treaty of Versailles and the collapse of the USSR seems like one hell of a false equivalence, and suggesting anybody cater to it seems like trying to beat Putin at a rigged game. \nYeah, Versailles was a terrible solution in hindsight. But Germany had quite a bit of culpability in the millions of lives lost in the war, and the harsh terms can be understood from that perspective. \nThe USSR collapsed under its own weight. The other Soviet states chose to become independent. It’s literally nothing but petulant entitlement for the Russian Federation to lay claim to any part of them now. \nIf they want a more regional power base to counter NATO, perhaps they should try diplomacy rather than dick swinging, manipulation and conquest.",
">\n\nRussia is not serious about peace negotiation. Putin must be dreaming that no matter how painful it is Russia will emerge as final victor except as time passes he will be strangulated financially, his military ruined, his country end up as pariah of the West.",
">\n\n\nstrangulated financially, his military ruined, his country end up as pariah of the West.\n\n1 and 3 are givens. We have no idea how true 2 is. \nPeace negotiations should be inevitable because neither side wants a forever war. Or is that a bad assumption?",
">\n\nSouth and Best Korea are still at war.",
">\n\nAt least they stopped killing each other"
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