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I love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\""
] |
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Well it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions
Trains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.
There’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool."
] |
>
To say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment.
Edit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions.
Trains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat.
Now if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs"
] |
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Great. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh"
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You can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that."
] |
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The vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !"
] |
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Is the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela ""high speed"" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that."
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Umm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago."
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It's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a "train on the road" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you."
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“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars."
] |
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I’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about
|
[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now"
] |
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Flying cars are called "helicopters". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.
But yes. TRAINS.
|
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about"
] |
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It also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom.
Before you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS."
] |
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I wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself."
] |
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I would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11"
] |
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I live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto."
] |
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Our quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket"
] |
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might be right. eventually it's going to be right.
i remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.
heck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries."
] |
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TBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.
We also still want self driving drone-cars.
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house."
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Huh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars."
] |
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I really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part."
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I don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car
Eating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains
|
[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car"
] |
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Or here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains"
] |
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But trains suck
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat"
] |
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So does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck"
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We can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do"
] |
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I love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines"
] |
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r/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried."
] |
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Trains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon"
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Nah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.
|
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous."
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Cars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now."
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Citation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc)."
] |
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Citation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.
I'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment.
Environmentalism 🤝 Capitalism
Loving trains
But also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas."
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I’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!"
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Maybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people."
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Maybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.
Well if we had flying cars....
Okay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill.
But there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road.
Just because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point.
Plus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want."
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Yeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?"
] |
>
This is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.
People who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.
Maybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.
Limiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule."
] |
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I think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.
For me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom."
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I was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings."
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I've never heard anyone say "I can't wait to have a train" or anything like that.
Ever.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility"
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I'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver."
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I'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet"
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Sir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it."
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Trains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom"
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I'm confused, what do you mean "people look forward to having trains"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades."
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Trains as the preferred transport.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?"
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Ah I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport."
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Eh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels."
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What kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains."
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Not exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.
I'm retired now I think I need a nap
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years."
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Trains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap"
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Trains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.
Does their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car."
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It looks pretty fly
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands."
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Yes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly"
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Yes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment
You're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment.
I don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about.
There are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation.
Right now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment"
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Technically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better."
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I mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so...
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment"
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Global warming is a hoax, so...
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment",
">\n\nI mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so..."
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See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll convince yourself that the entire scientific community is lying to you just because the alternative would mean admitting you aren't perfect. Truly there is no creature more narcissistic than the conservative.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment",
">\n\nI mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so...",
">\n\nGlobal warming is a hoax, so..."
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment",
">\n\nI mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so...",
">\n\nGlobal warming is a hoax, so...",
">\n\nSee, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll convince yourself that the entire scientific community is lying to you just because the alternative would mean admitting you aren't perfect. Truly there is no creature more narcissistic than the conservative."
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Tell me, what's it like being such a petulant manchild that "owning the libs" is your entire personality?
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment",
">\n\nI mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so...",
">\n\nGlobal warming is a hoax, so...",
">\n\nSee, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll convince yourself that the entire scientific community is lying to you just because the alternative would mean admitting you aren't perfect. Truly there is no creature more narcissistic than the conservative.",
">\n\nLol"
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Haha it's not I actually understand that people have been brainwashed for generations and just want to wake people up to the truth
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment",
">\n\nI mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so...",
">\n\nGlobal warming is a hoax, so...",
">\n\nSee, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll convince yourself that the entire scientific community is lying to you just because the alternative would mean admitting you aren't perfect. Truly there is no creature more narcissistic than the conservative.",
">\n\nLol",
">\n\nTell me, what's it like being such a petulant manchild that \"owning the libs\" is your entire personality?"
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Well, the truth is that change is inevitable. It doesn't matter how hard you stamp your feet or how loud you scream, you will never be able to keep things the same forever. Either we adapt, or we die.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment",
">\n\nI mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so...",
">\n\nGlobal warming is a hoax, so...",
">\n\nSee, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll convince yourself that the entire scientific community is lying to you just because the alternative would mean admitting you aren't perfect. Truly there is no creature more narcissistic than the conservative.",
">\n\nLol",
">\n\nTell me, what's it like being such a petulant manchild that \"owning the libs\" is your entire personality?",
">\n\nHaha it's not I actually understand that people have been brainwashed for generations and just want to wake people up to the truth"
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I HATE trains…
In fact scratch that. I hate all shared modes of transportation, tf do I wanna be stuck in a box with a bunch of strangers for lmao.
And then it doesn’t even go directly to your destination, you have to get off at a stop and then find ANOTHER mode of transportation to get to your destination. Waste of time 😂
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment",
">\n\nI mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so...",
">\n\nGlobal warming is a hoax, so...",
">\n\nSee, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll convince yourself that the entire scientific community is lying to you just because the alternative would mean admitting you aren't perfect. Truly there is no creature more narcissistic than the conservative.",
">\n\nLol",
">\n\nTell me, what's it like being such a petulant manchild that \"owning the libs\" is your entire personality?",
">\n\nHaha it's not I actually understand that people have been brainwashed for generations and just want to wake people up to the truth",
">\n\nWell, the truth is that change is inevitable. It doesn't matter how hard you stamp your feet or how loud you scream, you will never be able to keep things the same forever. Either we adapt, or we die."
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I hate all shared modes of transportation
Planet Earth had never heard such bullshit before.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment",
">\n\nI mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so...",
">\n\nGlobal warming is a hoax, so...",
">\n\nSee, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll convince yourself that the entire scientific community is lying to you just because the alternative would mean admitting you aren't perfect. Truly there is no creature more narcissistic than the conservative.",
">\n\nLol",
">\n\nTell me, what's it like being such a petulant manchild that \"owning the libs\" is your entire personality?",
">\n\nHaha it's not I actually understand that people have been brainwashed for generations and just want to wake people up to the truth",
">\n\nWell, the truth is that change is inevitable. It doesn't matter how hard you stamp your feet or how loud you scream, you will never be able to keep things the same forever. Either we adapt, or we die.",
">\n\nI HATE trains…\nIn fact scratch that. I hate all shared modes of transportation, tf do I wanna be stuck in a box with a bunch of strangers for lmao. \nAnd then it doesn’t even go directly to your destination, you have to get off at a stop and then find ANOTHER mode of transportation to get to your destination. Waste of time 😂"
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment",
">\n\nI mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so...",
">\n\nGlobal warming is a hoax, so...",
">\n\nSee, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll convince yourself that the entire scientific community is lying to you just because the alternative would mean admitting you aren't perfect. Truly there is no creature more narcissistic than the conservative.",
">\n\nLol",
">\n\nTell me, what's it like being such a petulant manchild that \"owning the libs\" is your entire personality?",
">\n\nHaha it's not I actually understand that people have been brainwashed for generations and just want to wake people up to the truth",
">\n\nWell, the truth is that change is inevitable. It doesn't matter how hard you stamp your feet or how loud you scream, you will never be able to keep things the same forever. Either we adapt, or we die.",
">\n\nI HATE trains…\nIn fact scratch that. I hate all shared modes of transportation, tf do I wanna be stuck in a box with a bunch of strangers for lmao. \nAnd then it doesn’t even go directly to your destination, you have to get off at a stop and then find ANOTHER mode of transportation to get to your destination. Waste of time 😂",
">\n\n\nI hate all shared modes of transportation\n\nPlanet Earth had never heard such bullshit before."
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No. But roads are shared with other road users. I drive, but being alone in your own metal box (that costs a lot more to fuel and maintain), often in traffic and congestion. Isn't exactly great either. But I live somewhere (the UK) with mostly usable public transport and only got my first car last year at 30. As it just wasn't necessary and even now is mostly for going where our buses and trains don't.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment",
">\n\nI mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so...",
">\n\nGlobal warming is a hoax, so...",
">\n\nSee, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll convince yourself that the entire scientific community is lying to you just because the alternative would mean admitting you aren't perfect. Truly there is no creature more narcissistic than the conservative.",
">\n\nLol",
">\n\nTell me, what's it like being such a petulant manchild that \"owning the libs\" is your entire personality?",
">\n\nHaha it's not I actually understand that people have been brainwashed for generations and just want to wake people up to the truth",
">\n\nWell, the truth is that change is inevitable. It doesn't matter how hard you stamp your feet or how loud you scream, you will never be able to keep things the same forever. Either we adapt, or we die.",
">\n\nI HATE trains…\nIn fact scratch that. I hate all shared modes of transportation, tf do I wanna be stuck in a box with a bunch of strangers for lmao. \nAnd then it doesn’t even go directly to your destination, you have to get off at a stop and then find ANOTHER mode of transportation to get to your destination. Waste of time 😂",
">\n\n\nI hate all shared modes of transportation\n\nPlanet Earth had never heard such bullshit before.",
">\n\nMy opinion on public transport is a lie? 😂"
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I live in the UK and where I’ve lived the public transport isn’t easy or reliable at all 😂
I’ve lived both in the countryside and in a big city. In the countryside the busses only came every 2 hours and was a 20 minute walk to the stop. In Birmingham the busses are CONSTANTLY late, so overcrowded that people can barely get on (no joke) and the bus stop is still a 15 minute walk from my house.
My journey to work would’ve been 40 minutes in a car and on the bus it was 1.5 hours. I would literally kill someone for a car at this point
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment",
">\n\nI mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so...",
">\n\nGlobal warming is a hoax, so...",
">\n\nSee, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll convince yourself that the entire scientific community is lying to you just because the alternative would mean admitting you aren't perfect. Truly there is no creature more narcissistic than the conservative.",
">\n\nLol",
">\n\nTell me, what's it like being such a petulant manchild that \"owning the libs\" is your entire personality?",
">\n\nHaha it's not I actually understand that people have been brainwashed for generations and just want to wake people up to the truth",
">\n\nWell, the truth is that change is inevitable. It doesn't matter how hard you stamp your feet or how loud you scream, you will never be able to keep things the same forever. Either we adapt, or we die.",
">\n\nI HATE trains…\nIn fact scratch that. I hate all shared modes of transportation, tf do I wanna be stuck in a box with a bunch of strangers for lmao. \nAnd then it doesn’t even go directly to your destination, you have to get off at a stop and then find ANOTHER mode of transportation to get to your destination. Waste of time 😂",
">\n\n\nI hate all shared modes of transportation\n\nPlanet Earth had never heard such bullshit before.",
">\n\nMy opinion on public transport is a lie? 😂",
">\n\nNo. But roads are shared with other road users. I drive, but being alone in your own metal box (that costs a lot more to fuel and maintain), often in traffic and congestion. Isn't exactly great either. But I live somewhere (the UK) with mostly usable public transport and only got my first car last year at 30. As it just wasn't necessary and even now is mostly for going where our buses and trains don't."
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First 18 years of my life in Birmingham suburbs and the buses were incredibly reliable back then but I was only 40 mins from the city centre and at a cross point of a number of routes with stops outside my house. And within 20 mins walk of two different train stations. It's not the best service I've lived within, think Nottingham has it beat on that score. It was a massive network though. Liverpool's buses were awful, basically anywhere run by Arriva has been in my experience.
It doesn't go everywhere in the UK, and we've been city dwellers. I eventually caved on getting my license as my wife really wanted us to have a car and she can't drive. Plus my work had a good scheme to lease an Electric Car so that made the whole prospect cheaper. Still like £4.7k a year though compared to the roughly £2.4k of bus passes and trips by train we did before, and £1.2k of that was bus passes we wouldn't need any more as our work place now allows WFH.
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment",
">\n\nI mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so...",
">\n\nGlobal warming is a hoax, so...",
">\n\nSee, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll convince yourself that the entire scientific community is lying to you just because the alternative would mean admitting you aren't perfect. Truly there is no creature more narcissistic than the conservative.",
">\n\nLol",
">\n\nTell me, what's it like being such a petulant manchild that \"owning the libs\" is your entire personality?",
">\n\nHaha it's not I actually understand that people have been brainwashed for generations and just want to wake people up to the truth",
">\n\nWell, the truth is that change is inevitable. It doesn't matter how hard you stamp your feet or how loud you scream, you will never be able to keep things the same forever. Either we adapt, or we die.",
">\n\nI HATE trains…\nIn fact scratch that. I hate all shared modes of transportation, tf do I wanna be stuck in a box with a bunch of strangers for lmao. \nAnd then it doesn’t even go directly to your destination, you have to get off at a stop and then find ANOTHER mode of transportation to get to your destination. Waste of time 😂",
">\n\n\nI hate all shared modes of transportation\n\nPlanet Earth had never heard such bullshit before.",
">\n\nMy opinion on public transport is a lie? 😂",
">\n\nNo. But roads are shared with other road users. I drive, but being alone in your own metal box (that costs a lot more to fuel and maintain), often in traffic and congestion. Isn't exactly great either. But I live somewhere (the UK) with mostly usable public transport and only got my first car last year at 30. As it just wasn't necessary and even now is mostly for going where our buses and trains don't.",
">\n\nI live in the UK and where I’ve lived the public transport isn’t easy or reliable at all 😂 \nI’ve lived both in the countryside and in a big city. In the countryside the busses only came every 2 hours and was a 20 minute walk to the stop. In Birmingham the busses are CONSTANTLY late, so overcrowded that people can barely get on (no joke) and the bus stop is still a 15 minute walk from my house. \nMy journey to work would’ve been 40 minutes in a car and on the bus it was 1.5 hours. I would literally kill someone for a car at this point"
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">\n\nTrains are really cool and efficient. No traffic, no driving, fewer emissions, and cheaper too!\nI wish we had more trains here. The autistic kids had the right idea obsessing over trains tbh.",
">\n\nTrains themselves are alright, but what’s even cooler are huge train networks that help facilitate massive economic growth.",
">\n\nSomeone's been playing Victoria 3.",
">\n\nNever heard of it, just find interesting the extreme value that trains provide for nation building",
">\n\nWell I didn't say it was you lol. But yeah train networks and their impact on economic development are a feature of the game.",
">\n\nSounds cool may have to check it out",
">\n\nI'm still waiting for flying cars. We were supposed to have them eight years ago.",
">\n\nHave you seen how people drive cars that move in a two dimensional axis? Add another dimension and watch chaos unfold.",
">\n\nJust a few days ago wasn't there almost a collision between two planes?",
">\n\nYea but it was Texas, where their entire power grid collapses because it's cold and they prefer embezzlement to investing in infrastructure.",
">\n\nAAAHHHH ... that makes sense. \nI feel like \"but it was Texas\" could be a new meme. its an explanation all in itself.",
">\n\nThe state apparatus version of \"Florida man\"",
">\n\nI love our local passenger trains, I think they are going to build an offshoot 1/4 mile from my house, it should be pretty cool.",
">\n\nWell it’s not just about the environment in terms of reducing emissions\nTrains are more efficient so they end up increasing walking space which means the urban environment look more pleasant.\nThere’s videos about this comparing European cities vs average North American suburbs",
">\n\nTo say nothing of the economic benefits! Not everybody can afford to own, fuel, and maintain a personal car, but train tickets are dirt cheap (and easy as balls to subsidize.) Trains provide transportation for those who might not have it otherwise, they make it easier to travel for work and give people a much larger geographical patch in which they can look for employment. \nEdit: They make it easier to transport goods, which can help reduce raw material costs, while this would be minuscule at the retail level, the overall savings could add up significantly; if those savings are too presumptuous, there's also the undeniable economic savings to the average [checksnotes] human to be gained from reducing carbon emissions. \nTrains are the rare win/win/win: They're good for the environment, they're good for businesses, and they're good for workers. Don't even get me started on national security, I'll talk your ear off, the civil war proved that trains are mandatory for a strong national defense itellyouwhat. \nNow if only so many Americans didn't believe in austerity politics. /sigh",
">\n\nGreat. Now get me a ride to the train. The nearest city to me is 50 miles away. The nearest passenger train is... well, more than that.",
">\n\nYou can thank your government for that ! Thats not a thing in the rest of the world. You're the only country to take out tracks for trams in cities to make more room for cars. How stupid !",
">\n\nThe vast majority of the States doesn't have the population density to make trains practical. We build out instead of building up. Thank local zoning for that.",
">\n\nIs the east coast megalopolis dense enough ? Or what about California HSR. Or that other project in Florida. You have the Acela \"\"high speed\"\" line ( that averages 70mph by the way, which is just pitiful for a high speed clasification ) for over 50 million people. There are countries, with less than 50 million people, that have better rail, and those countries, bigger than the north east corridor, and with less population, still have good rail. Just start there, improve the Acela line, finish California HSR and I think you would have a great start. Nobody's saying that starting tomorrow every city has to have a station, clearly you cant do that. But you gotta start somewhere... . And also connect these systems between them. You dont have to have service every 10 minutes from Chattenoga to Earth, Texas, but something frpm New York to the west coast, that would be fantastic. And if you say thats not possible, Id like to draw your attention to the Trans-siberian, that is fully electrified, much longer than coast-to-coast service would be, and was built many years ago, by the Soviet Union. So peoe saying it cant be done admit not being able to do spmething the soviet union did decades ago.",
">\n\nUmm, isn’t a plane kind of a flying train? Just got the one carriage mind you.",
">\n\nIt's more of a flying bus. And a Bus is not a \"train on the road\" It lacks any of the reasons trains are more efficient, though then Buses are still a lot efficient than cars.",
">\n\n“Airbus” makes a lot more sense now",
">\n\nI’m still waiting for a train. Idk what you guys are on about",
">\n\nFlying cars are called \"helicopters\". They're even more dangerous, noisy, and expensive than cars, and no middle class person will ever be able to afford one.\nBut yes. TRAINS.",
">\n\nIt also doesn't help that more cars actually means less freedom. \nBefore you could walk, bike, bus, train, car. Today (at least in many places in the US) you can take the car or go fuck yourself.",
">\n\nI wish i got to experience flying pre 2000s todays security is stressful and adds so much time to the overall journey imagine how quick short haul flights were pre 9/11",
">\n\nI would be willing to bet if all the rail lines in Ontario Canada didn't get ripped up (and instead replaced/upgraded for passenger trains), the province would look vastly different today and a lot less people would choose to live in Toronto.",
">\n\nI live in canada and if i want to get on a passenger train i need to drive 2 hours then stand on the tracks at 3 in the morning and pay $900 for a ticket",
">\n\nOur quality of life has peaked, the next few decades we will see many basic things we take for granted become luxuries.",
">\n\nmight be right. eventually it's going to be right.\ni remember my parents telling me that in the early 1970s.\nheck that was before we even had center a/c in our house.",
">\n\nTBF we already have hover trains, we just want all the hover trains connected from africa to south America.\nWe also still want self driving drone-cars.",
">\n\nHuh? I don't think that's the case at all, regarding the kids in 2020s part.",
">\n\nI really wish we go back to trains and bikes, I refuse to learn to drive or buy a car",
">\n\nI don’t understand this obsession with trains. I prefer the privacy and convince of my own car\nEating less meat would do much more for the environment than switching to trains",
">\n\nOr here's a great idea - more trains AND eat less meat",
">\n\nBut trains suck",
">\n\nSo does eating less meat imo, but we need to do what we need to do",
">\n\nWe can barely drive cars when they are stuck on the ground and have to follow clearly painted lines",
">\n\nI love trains too. They are and have always been my favourite mode of transport. Not just environment-wise, but theyre genuinely more enjoyable than anything else i ever tried.",
">\n\nr/fuckcars for anybody who’s just now hopping on the trainwagon",
">\n\nTrains increase freedom because they increase accessibility, not everyone can afford a card so making it essential to participate in society is ridiculous.",
">\n\nNah, its just we make less than 50 years ago and the lure of cheap travel/commuting is a rail system and should have been in place by now.",
">\n\nCars are expensive. Roads are expensive to provide. The idea that cars give you freedom only exists if you assume that these things are free. A comprehensive frequent and reasonably fast public transport system gives freedom. Freedom from the cost of owning and running a car. Freedom to travel when you are not in a fit state to drive (too tired, had some drinks, medically unfit etc).",
">\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.",
">\n\n\nCitation needed. It sounds like you've been smoking a lot of green ideas.\n\nI'm just a humble neoliberal shill for easy, affordable, environmentally friendly transportation for goods and individuals that allows business development and reduces barriers to entry for employment. \nEnvironmentalism 🤝 Capitalism\nLoving trains \nBut also yes I do smoke weed, thank you for noticing!",
">\n\nI’d also add the need for community. Trains allow us to talk to different people.",
">\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.",
">\n\n\nMaybe this would be good in urban centers, but as someone who lives in a suburban place, car-centrism is absolutely what I want.\n\nWell if we had flying cars.... \nOkay, but more seriously now, the real world is going to require a shades of gray answer. If you live in the United States then there are places that a train just isn't convenient or necessarily helpful, like, when someone is out in East Bumblefuck Arkansas they don't need a high speed bullet train to get out to the corner store, if you live five minutes away from civilization in suburbia then a tram is overkill. \nBut there are still middle grounds to be had. Here in Maryland a lot of people live in the suburbs but commute to Washington, DC every day, they spend an hour in traffic in the morning and an hour in traffic at night; it's not ideal. They live in the suburbs, they're still going to be driving their car to get groceries on the weekend, but a centralized rail system could shave a massive leg off their commute and let them ride share from there, get them out from behind the wheel, save them gas money, save them time in traffic, and get cars off the road. \nJust because trains won't replace your car doesn't mean there aren't benefits that you can still cash in on. Trains can widen the scope of possible employment for you, they can widen the scope of recreation, they can pick up some of the slack for commuters and people who travel for work, and there are second order benefits too, but I worry that I'm overselling the point. \nPlus, I mean, what's the insurance cost gonna' be like on a flying car?",
">\n\nYeah, but trains also limit your freedom and force you to submit to a time schedule.",
">\n\nThis is the dumbest argument I see people keep making.\nPeople who advocate for walkability, bike infrastructure, and public transit are not advocating for any of those to be the only transportation mode. They are advocating for them as viable options in a broader transportation network.\nMaybe you need to drive a car to work. That’s fine. But maybe you don’t need a car to go everywhere else. I lived for awhile in a dense urban area and I was able to walk to the grocery store, park, and gym; take a train to the airport; and drive my car to visit family in the next town. If I had lived in a suburb, I’d have had no option but to drive everywhere, for everything, every time.\nLimiting my transportation choices to “own a car or get fucked” does not strike me as particularly liberating. Yes, I can choose when I want to go somewhere, but I don’t get to choose how I get there. That is, more or less by definition, a limitation of my freedom.",
">\n\nI think what informs our perspectives is our exposure to these concepts. I have never lived somewhere where mass public trans. was ever viable or popular.\nFor me, the idea of choosing anything other than a car seems irrelevant. Of course, that doesn't mean it actually is, but we just have different ingrained understandings.",
">\n\nI was born in a car centric country but where I live now trains are twice as fast as cars for long distances while being cheaper. Having these possibilities definitely makes you rethink mobility",
">\n\nI've never heard anyone say \"I can't wait to have a train\" or anything like that.\nEver.",
">\n\nI'm 23 and live in the US and public transit, high-speed trains, and a general shift away from car-centricism are very popular topics among all of my friends, and younger people I've seen on the internet",
">\n\nI'll keep my 1974 vw bug bc I know I'll die before her. I trust it.",
">\n\nSir, this is an entrance line for monorails to Disney's Magic Kingdom",
">\n\nTrains never went away, its a daily occurance, so I can't feel the same as you. Theyre very good and practical. Flying cars arent, so they never became a thing. Meanwhile trains persisted throuought the decades.",
">\n\nI'm confused, what do you mean \"people look forward to having trains\"? Trains exist and pretty widely used, am I missing something?",
">\n\nTrains as the preferred transport.",
">\n\nAh I see. I guess living in a densely populated area makes me forget that trains aren't as frequently used as it feels.",
">\n\nEh, I kind of think all kids love trains. My son was a mid 2000s kid, and he was obsessed with trains.",
">\n\nWhat kids are you talking to? I've never heard this opinion of current youth. My 16 year old is fixing up his Lancer GTS with plans to upgrade to an EVO in the next couple years.",
">\n\nNot exactly in the 50s you could take a train a Greyhound bus driver right in a car and plane fares are very expensive most kids in the 50s never ever thought of a flying car 1960 had the Jetsons it was like the year 2050, in the '50s and 60s and '70s there are no cell phones mostly and nobody was texting while driving they had a radio am an FM the fancy ones that fax it fancier FM radios I'm from that era. Kids in the 2020s is you imply are not looking forward to taking a train they want to get in their car and text and drive then you want to walk only like 20 feet from their house to take a train and sort of a big involved process for for commuting and or for traveling I can meet in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe since about 1987 mostly all those years look until it hit it's like a three and a half hour daily commute round trip to go to downtown Chicago.\nI'm retired now I think I need a nap",
">\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.",
">\n\n\nTrains are nice and all but I think most kids still look forward to having a dream car.\n\nDoes their dream car fly? If not, my premise stands.",
">\n\nIt looks pretty fly",
">\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment",
">\n\n\nYes, the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the abolition of private transportation in the name of the environment\n\nYou're kind of burying the lede there; the ultimate goal of a lot of leftist loonies isn't the abolition of private transportation, it's protecting the environment. \nI don't know your specific definition of leftist, most of the time I don't even know what leftist's definitions of leftist is, but I call myself a liberal. My biggest gripes with cars are the pollution they create, when the day comes that we transition to EVs or something else it won't be as big a deal, and when we transition to cleaner electricity it'll be an even smaller deal. It's not the car that I care about, I fucking love driving, it's the climate I care about. \nThere are a lot of reasons to like trains, there are a lot of reasons to dislike cars, but caring about the environment is usually the precursor to caring about public and private transportation. \nRight now, in the present moment, one of the best things we can do to reduce carbon emissions is to get as many cars off the road as possible. Public transportation like rail lines give people an alternative, an additional option, it allows them to reduce their carbon footprint if they choose to, but it doesn't prohibit them from driving if they want to. The other way to change a behavior, besides giving people an equal or better alternative, is to make it untenable; in this case we could also dramatically raise gas taxes to prevent people from driving, outlaw cars that don't meet minimum mileage requirements, and maybe create new taxes specifically for people who drive internal combustion engines. Public transportation is better.",
">\n\nTechnically the ultimate goal of the leftist loonies is the death of most of humanity in the name of protecting the environment",
">\n\nI mean, the ultimate goal of every conservative is the death of most of humanity in the name of not having to mildly inconvenience themselves, so...",
">\n\nGlobal warming is a hoax, so...",
">\n\nSee, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll convince yourself that the entire scientific community is lying to you just because the alternative would mean admitting you aren't perfect. Truly there is no creature more narcissistic than the conservative.",
">\n\nLol",
">\n\nTell me, what's it like being such a petulant manchild that \"owning the libs\" is your entire personality?",
">\n\nHaha it's not I actually understand that people have been brainwashed for generations and just want to wake people up to the truth",
">\n\nWell, the truth is that change is inevitable. It doesn't matter how hard you stamp your feet or how loud you scream, you will never be able to keep things the same forever. Either we adapt, or we die.",
">\n\nI HATE trains…\nIn fact scratch that. I hate all shared modes of transportation, tf do I wanna be stuck in a box with a bunch of strangers for lmao. \nAnd then it doesn’t even go directly to your destination, you have to get off at a stop and then find ANOTHER mode of transportation to get to your destination. Waste of time 😂",
">\n\n\nI hate all shared modes of transportation\n\nPlanet Earth had never heard such bullshit before.",
">\n\nMy opinion on public transport is a lie? 😂",
">\n\nNo. But roads are shared with other road users. I drive, but being alone in your own metal box (that costs a lot more to fuel and maintain), often in traffic and congestion. Isn't exactly great either. But I live somewhere (the UK) with mostly usable public transport and only got my first car last year at 30. As it just wasn't necessary and even now is mostly for going where our buses and trains don't.",
">\n\nI live in the UK and where I’ve lived the public transport isn’t easy or reliable at all 😂 \nI’ve lived both in the countryside and in a big city. In the countryside the busses only came every 2 hours and was a 20 minute walk to the stop. In Birmingham the busses are CONSTANTLY late, so overcrowded that people can barely get on (no joke) and the bus stop is still a 15 minute walk from my house. \nMy journey to work would’ve been 40 minutes in a car and on the bus it was 1.5 hours. I would literally kill someone for a car at this point",
">\n\nFirst 18 years of my life in Birmingham suburbs and the buses were incredibly reliable back then but I was only 40 mins from the city centre and at a cross point of a number of routes with stops outside my house. And within 20 mins walk of two different train stations. It's not the best service I've lived within, think Nottingham has it beat on that score. It was a massive network though. Liverpool's buses were awful, basically anywhere run by Arriva has been in my experience.\nIt doesn't go everywhere in the UK, and we've been city dwellers. I eventually caved on getting my license as my wife really wanted us to have a car and she can't drive. Plus my work had a good scheme to lease an Electric Car so that made the whole prospect cheaper. Still like £4.7k a year though compared to the roughly £2.4k of bus passes and trips by train we did before, and £1.2k of that was bus passes we wouldn't need any more as our work place now allows WFH."
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You'd think they'd be tuckered out from the gay bashing and transphobia but nope -- and they remembered that they're not fond of colored people, either.
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The world would be a better place if Fox viewers ever did become Tuckered out.
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Something always comes to fill that void of anger and hate before him it was Bill O’reilly and Glenn Beck before them it was Rush Limbaug, Tucker and Hannity who are just as bad or much worse have also added additional Cons now like Ingraham and Watters, Gutfeld spewing out more anger and hate. They know how to Spin any story enrage viewers
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"You'd think they'd be tuckered out from the gay bashing and transphobia but nope -- and they remembered that they're not fond of colored people, either.",
">\n\nThe world would be a better place if Fox viewers ever did become Tuckered out."
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They're replacing it with a policy of negative negation.
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"You'd think they'd be tuckered out from the gay bashing and transphobia but nope -- and they remembered that they're not fond of colored people, either.",
">\n\nThe world would be a better place if Fox viewers ever did become Tuckered out.",
">\n\nSomething always comes to fill that void of anger and hate before him it was Bill O’reilly and Glenn Beck before them it was Rush Limbaug, Tucker and Hannity who are just as bad or much worse have also added additional Cons now like Ingraham and Watters, Gutfeld spewing out more anger and hate. They know how to Spin any story enrage viewers"
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Bill to suspend elections is next on the agenda.
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"You'd think they'd be tuckered out from the gay bashing and transphobia but nope -- and they remembered that they're not fond of colored people, either.",
">\n\nThe world would be a better place if Fox viewers ever did become Tuckered out.",
">\n\nSomething always comes to fill that void of anger and hate before him it was Bill O’reilly and Glenn Beck before them it was Rush Limbaug, Tucker and Hannity who are just as bad or much worse have also added additional Cons now like Ingraham and Watters, Gutfeld spewing out more anger and hate. They know how to Spin any story enrage viewers",
">\n\nThey're replacing it with a policy of negative negation."
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No, legal segregation of schools will be next.
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"You'd think they'd be tuckered out from the gay bashing and transphobia but nope -- and they remembered that they're not fond of colored people, either.",
">\n\nThe world would be a better place if Fox viewers ever did become Tuckered out.",
">\n\nSomething always comes to fill that void of anger and hate before him it was Bill O’reilly and Glenn Beck before them it was Rush Limbaug, Tucker and Hannity who are just as bad or much worse have also added additional Cons now like Ingraham and Watters, Gutfeld spewing out more anger and hate. They know how to Spin any story enrage viewers",
">\n\nThey're replacing it with a policy of negative negation.",
">\n\nBill to suspend elections is next on the agenda."
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They can't do that until a packed Supreme Court reverses Brown vs. Board of Education, which is no doubt on the agenda, but what they can do in the meantime is private charter schools, paid for by the taxpayer and while not legal to deny admission to black children, they can make so bureaucratically difficult for them to enroll that it will discourage the vast majority.
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"You'd think they'd be tuckered out from the gay bashing and transphobia but nope -- and they remembered that they're not fond of colored people, either.",
">\n\nThe world would be a better place if Fox viewers ever did become Tuckered out.",
">\n\nSomething always comes to fill that void of anger and hate before him it was Bill O’reilly and Glenn Beck before them it was Rush Limbaug, Tucker and Hannity who are just as bad or much worse have also added additional Cons now like Ingraham and Watters, Gutfeld spewing out more anger and hate. They know how to Spin any story enrage viewers",
">\n\nThey're replacing it with a policy of negative negation.",
">\n\nBill to suspend elections is next on the agenda.",
">\n\nNo, legal segregation of schools will be next."
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They can do it with this Supreme Court. It's rabid conservatives, 6-3. That is the sole reason why during Trump's term, they picked wackadoo federal judges that didn't believe in B. vs BOE. The federal level is done.
In some States, they've already started: They have the school boards in place full of MAGA, MAGA Governors, MAGA Senators, MAGA Reps. Good teachers are quitting, who do you think is gonna replace them? The loonies. They've already started the slow drum of school complaints. They've sliced public education down to the barest of bare minimum and have been doing that since desegregation ended. (public school was fine until Black kids could go. Now, it's been a decades long 'problem') They will keep chipping away until someone does bring a lawsuit to one of the MAGA judges to start the judicial fight and you can best believe, those cretins on the Court will overturn B. vs. BOE.
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"You'd think they'd be tuckered out from the gay bashing and transphobia but nope -- and they remembered that they're not fond of colored people, either.",
">\n\nThe world would be a better place if Fox viewers ever did become Tuckered out.",
">\n\nSomething always comes to fill that void of anger and hate before him it was Bill O’reilly and Glenn Beck before them it was Rush Limbaug, Tucker and Hannity who are just as bad or much worse have also added additional Cons now like Ingraham and Watters, Gutfeld spewing out more anger and hate. They know how to Spin any story enrage viewers",
">\n\nThey're replacing it with a policy of negative negation.",
">\n\nBill to suspend elections is next on the agenda.",
">\n\nNo, legal segregation of schools will be next.",
">\n\nThey can't do that until a packed Supreme Court reverses Brown vs. Board of Education, which is no doubt on the agenda, but what they can do in the meantime is private charter schools, paid for by the taxpayer and while not legal to deny admission to black children, they can make so bureaucratically difficult for them to enroll that it will discourage the vast majority."
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Everything was so much better in the past when some people had all the advantages because they were the in group. They hate having to compete with everyone else and especially in a balanced field.
If there was no in group for 200 years then there would be no need to balance the field.
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"You'd think they'd be tuckered out from the gay bashing and transphobia but nope -- and they remembered that they're not fond of colored people, either.",
">\n\nThe world would be a better place if Fox viewers ever did become Tuckered out.",
">\n\nSomething always comes to fill that void of anger and hate before him it was Bill O’reilly and Glenn Beck before them it was Rush Limbaug, Tucker and Hannity who are just as bad or much worse have also added additional Cons now like Ingraham and Watters, Gutfeld spewing out more anger and hate. They know how to Spin any story enrage viewers",
">\n\nThey're replacing it with a policy of negative negation.",
">\n\nBill to suspend elections is next on the agenda.",
">\n\nNo, legal segregation of schools will be next.",
">\n\nThey can't do that until a packed Supreme Court reverses Brown vs. Board of Education, which is no doubt on the agenda, but what they can do in the meantime is private charter schools, paid for by the taxpayer and while not legal to deny admission to black children, they can make so bureaucratically difficult for them to enroll that it will discourage the vast majority.",
">\n\nThey can do it with this Supreme Court. It's rabid conservatives, 6-3. That is the sole reason why during Trump's term, they picked wackadoo federal judges that didn't believe in B. vs BOE. The federal level is done.\nIn some States, they've already started: They have the school boards in place full of MAGA, MAGA Governors, MAGA Senators, MAGA Reps. Good teachers are quitting, who do you think is gonna replace them? The loonies. They've already started the slow drum of school complaints. They've sliced public education down to the barest of bare minimum and have been doing that since desegregation ended. (public school was fine until Black kids could go. Now, it's been a decades long 'problem') They will keep chipping away until someone does bring a lawsuit to one of the MAGA judges to start the judicial fight and you can best believe, those cretins on the Court will overturn B. vs. BOE."
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Good. Racism is wrong in any form.
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"You'd think they'd be tuckered out from the gay bashing and transphobia but nope -- and they remembered that they're not fond of colored people, either.",
">\n\nThe world would be a better place if Fox viewers ever did become Tuckered out.",
">\n\nSomething always comes to fill that void of anger and hate before him it was Bill O’reilly and Glenn Beck before them it was Rush Limbaug, Tucker and Hannity who are just as bad or much worse have also added additional Cons now like Ingraham and Watters, Gutfeld spewing out more anger and hate. They know how to Spin any story enrage viewers",
">\n\nThey're replacing it with a policy of negative negation.",
">\n\nBill to suspend elections is next on the agenda.",
">\n\nNo, legal segregation of schools will be next.",
">\n\nThey can't do that until a packed Supreme Court reverses Brown vs. Board of Education, which is no doubt on the agenda, but what they can do in the meantime is private charter schools, paid for by the taxpayer and while not legal to deny admission to black children, they can make so bureaucratically difficult for them to enroll that it will discourage the vast majority.",
">\n\nThey can do it with this Supreme Court. It's rabid conservatives, 6-3. That is the sole reason why during Trump's term, they picked wackadoo federal judges that didn't believe in B. vs BOE. The federal level is done.\nIn some States, they've already started: They have the school boards in place full of MAGA, MAGA Governors, MAGA Senators, MAGA Reps. Good teachers are quitting, who do you think is gonna replace them? The loonies. They've already started the slow drum of school complaints. They've sliced public education down to the barest of bare minimum and have been doing that since desegregation ended. (public school was fine until Black kids could go. Now, it's been a decades long 'problem') They will keep chipping away until someone does bring a lawsuit to one of the MAGA judges to start the judicial fight and you can best believe, those cretins on the Court will overturn B. vs. BOE.",
">\n\nEverything was so much better in the past when some people had all the advantages because they were the in group. They hate having to compete with everyone else and especially in a balanced field.\nIf there was no in group for 200 years then there would be no need to balance the field."
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"You'd think they'd be tuckered out from the gay bashing and transphobia but nope -- and they remembered that they're not fond of colored people, either.",
">\n\nThe world would be a better place if Fox viewers ever did become Tuckered out.",
">\n\nSomething always comes to fill that void of anger and hate before him it was Bill O’reilly and Glenn Beck before them it was Rush Limbaug, Tucker and Hannity who are just as bad or much worse have also added additional Cons now like Ingraham and Watters, Gutfeld spewing out more anger and hate. They know how to Spin any story enrage viewers",
">\n\nThey're replacing it with a policy of negative negation.",
">\n\nBill to suspend elections is next on the agenda.",
">\n\nNo, legal segregation of schools will be next.",
">\n\nThey can't do that until a packed Supreme Court reverses Brown vs. Board of Education, which is no doubt on the agenda, but what they can do in the meantime is private charter schools, paid for by the taxpayer and while not legal to deny admission to black children, they can make so bureaucratically difficult for them to enroll that it will discourage the vast majority.",
">\n\nThey can do it with this Supreme Court. It's rabid conservatives, 6-3. That is the sole reason why during Trump's term, they picked wackadoo federal judges that didn't believe in B. vs BOE. The federal level is done.\nIn some States, they've already started: They have the school boards in place full of MAGA, MAGA Governors, MAGA Senators, MAGA Reps. Good teachers are quitting, who do you think is gonna replace them? The loonies. They've already started the slow drum of school complaints. They've sliced public education down to the barest of bare minimum and have been doing that since desegregation ended. (public school was fine until Black kids could go. Now, it's been a decades long 'problem') They will keep chipping away until someone does bring a lawsuit to one of the MAGA judges to start the judicial fight and you can best believe, those cretins on the Court will overturn B. vs. BOE.",
">\n\nEverything was so much better in the past when some people had all the advantages because they were the in group. They hate having to compete with everyone else and especially in a balanced field.\nIf there was no in group for 200 years then there would be no need to balance the field.",
">\n\nGood. Racism is wrong in any form."
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Killing people is illegal
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Killing people for daring to file a complaint against you is especially so
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In the US; they would have received a paid vacation and "additional training".
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This title was wild to read for my dyslexic ass.
First thing I read was "Kanye sentences to court for triple death of police murder"
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">\n\nKilling people for daring to file a complaint against you is especially so",
">\n\nIn the US; they would have received a paid vacation and \"additional training\".",
">\n\nThis title was wild to read for my dyslexic ass. \nFirst thing I read was \"Kanye sentences to court for triple death of police murder\""
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For the second time in my life, the USA has been mesmerized by a news story about a balloon.
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Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice, right?
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To be fair, the balloon boy one was weirder. A “spy balloon” feels a little more appropriate to be concerned about. But it’s 2023, who uses a balloon?
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">\n\nWhich isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice, right?"
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That's the part that doesn't add up about all this. The Chinese have satellites. This stupid balloon couldn't have been accomplishing much, so what even was the point? ICBM sites aren't really secret.
People will bring up "testing our defenses" or some shit, but for what? If they'd thought it was a real threat, it would've been shot down before it ever left Alaska. None of it makes any sense.
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"For the second time in my life, the USA has been mesmerized by a news story about a balloon.",
">\n\nWhich isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice, right?",
">\n\nTo be fair, the balloon boy one was weirder. A “spy balloon” feels a little more appropriate to be concerned about. But it’s 2023, who uses a balloon?"
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Well… they get to see how long it took us to notice them. Also, just because we aren’t sure what this thing can do doesn’t mean we take their word for it that it’s nothing. Their batshit response doesn’t suggest it’s nothing. I hope we recover useful bits from the downed balloon.
Edit: I am not making conclusions about how long or not long it took us to notice. Only saying that might be a motivation for this weird Chinese balloon shenanigans.
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"For the second time in my life, the USA has been mesmerized by a news story about a balloon.",
">\n\nWhich isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice, right?",
">\n\nTo be fair, the balloon boy one was weirder. A “spy balloon” feels a little more appropriate to be concerned about. But it’s 2023, who uses a balloon?",
">\n\nThat's the part that doesn't add up about all this. The Chinese have satellites. This stupid balloon couldn't have been accomplishing much, so what even was the point? ICBM sites aren't really secret.\nPeople will bring up \"testing our defenses\" or some shit, but for what? If they'd thought it was a real threat, it would've been shot down before it ever left Alaska. None of it makes any sense."
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Just because we didn't go public with it at first doesn't mean it wasn't tracked from the start. We literally have radars in Hawaii and the Aleutian islands that can spot targets the size of seagulls from thousands of miles away, and distinguish between that target and background noise or even active countermeasures. We absolutely noticed it days before it crossed into CONUS airspace, and the only reason the government said anything was because it was going to get noticed by the public. Source: I used to help design security measures for radar systems like the SBX in Hawaii and the TPY-2 theater air defense radars.
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"For the second time in my life, the USA has been mesmerized by a news story about a balloon.",
">\n\nWhich isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice, right?",
">\n\nTo be fair, the balloon boy one was weirder. A “spy balloon” feels a little more appropriate to be concerned about. But it’s 2023, who uses a balloon?",
">\n\nThat's the part that doesn't add up about all this. The Chinese have satellites. This stupid balloon couldn't have been accomplishing much, so what even was the point? ICBM sites aren't really secret.\nPeople will bring up \"testing our defenses\" or some shit, but for what? If they'd thought it was a real threat, it would've been shot down before it ever left Alaska. None of it makes any sense.",
">\n\nWell… they get to see how long it took us to notice them. Also, just because we aren’t sure what this thing can do doesn’t mean we take their word for it that it’s nothing. Their batshit response doesn’t suggest it’s nothing. I hope we recover useful bits from the downed balloon.\nEdit: I am not making conclusions about how long or not long it took us to notice. Only saying that might be a motivation for this weird Chinese balloon shenanigans."
] |
>
Bingo. If it was not going to get seen by the public we (the public) probably wouldn't know about it. They wouldn't tell us about it unless there was some useful political reason to do so. The idea that the military only knows things when we do is ludicrous and naïve.
|
[
"For the second time in my life, the USA has been mesmerized by a news story about a balloon.",
">\n\nWhich isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice, right?",
">\n\nTo be fair, the balloon boy one was weirder. A “spy balloon” feels a little more appropriate to be concerned about. But it’s 2023, who uses a balloon?",
">\n\nThat's the part that doesn't add up about all this. The Chinese have satellites. This stupid balloon couldn't have been accomplishing much, so what even was the point? ICBM sites aren't really secret.\nPeople will bring up \"testing our defenses\" or some shit, but for what? If they'd thought it was a real threat, it would've been shot down before it ever left Alaska. None of it makes any sense.",
">\n\nWell… they get to see how long it took us to notice them. Also, just because we aren’t sure what this thing can do doesn’t mean we take their word for it that it’s nothing. Their batshit response doesn’t suggest it’s nothing. I hope we recover useful bits from the downed balloon.\nEdit: I am not making conclusions about how long or not long it took us to notice. Only saying that might be a motivation for this weird Chinese balloon shenanigans.",
">\n\nJust because we didn't go public with it at first doesn't mean it wasn't tracked from the start. We literally have radars in Hawaii and the Aleutian islands that can spot targets the size of seagulls from thousands of miles away, and distinguish between that target and background noise or even active countermeasures. We absolutely noticed it days before it crossed into CONUS airspace, and the only reason the government said anything was because it was going to get noticed by the public. Source: I used to help design security measures for radar systems like the SBX in Hawaii and the TPY-2 theater air defense radars."
] |
>
I don't think this was political at all. This was an intelligence decision. We spotted that balloon with early warning radars when it was over the Pacific, and likely started pointing ELINT and SIGINT assets at it.
The benefit of potentially intercepting Chinese BLOS/SATCOM waveforms, seeing what kind of encryption/spread spectrum algorithms they may be using, and using reach-back-and-attack methods to pinpoint potential satellites, ground stations or ships the balloon may be communicating with far outweighed the risks of letting it float over CONUS.
The chances of it being spotted by civilians with binoculars or semi-decent telescopes and creating a panic when it couldn't be explained was the risk. So, the government finally let folks know when it was over Montana. It had already crossed the Pacific, over the Aleutians (where the Pave Paws radar station is), and then down the western coast before the government went public.
Announcing it in Montana was just to keep the public from freaking out. They'd already had days to use radar, satellite and aircraft imagery, and ELINT intercepts to figure out what it was and what it's potential capabilities were.
Why do you think the DoD said over and over that it wasn't a threat and the risk of shooting it down over CONUS was too great? The reason is not politics. They were collecting as much intel as possible before shooting it down safely to try and recover any debris that could be used to help reverse engineer Chinese comms from the Intel they've already gathered. That data is invaluable to cyber security and jam/counter-jam reverse engineering applications for the next decade.
|
[
"For the second time in my life, the USA has been mesmerized by a news story about a balloon.",
">\n\nWhich isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice, right?",
">\n\nTo be fair, the balloon boy one was weirder. A “spy balloon” feels a little more appropriate to be concerned about. But it’s 2023, who uses a balloon?",
">\n\nThat's the part that doesn't add up about all this. The Chinese have satellites. This stupid balloon couldn't have been accomplishing much, so what even was the point? ICBM sites aren't really secret.\nPeople will bring up \"testing our defenses\" or some shit, but for what? If they'd thought it was a real threat, it would've been shot down before it ever left Alaska. None of it makes any sense.",
">\n\nWell… they get to see how long it took us to notice them. Also, just because we aren’t sure what this thing can do doesn’t mean we take their word for it that it’s nothing. Their batshit response doesn’t suggest it’s nothing. I hope we recover useful bits from the downed balloon.\nEdit: I am not making conclusions about how long or not long it took us to notice. Only saying that might be a motivation for this weird Chinese balloon shenanigans.",
">\n\nJust because we didn't go public with it at first doesn't mean it wasn't tracked from the start. We literally have radars in Hawaii and the Aleutian islands that can spot targets the size of seagulls from thousands of miles away, and distinguish between that target and background noise or even active countermeasures. We absolutely noticed it days before it crossed into CONUS airspace, and the only reason the government said anything was because it was going to get noticed by the public. Source: I used to help design security measures for radar systems like the SBX in Hawaii and the TPY-2 theater air defense radars.",
">\n\nBingo. If it was not going to get seen by the public we (the public) probably wouldn't know about it. They wouldn't tell us about it unless there was some useful political reason to do so. The idea that the military only knows things when we do is ludicrous and naïve."
] |
>
Wise words.
People dont get how important it is to observe and track activity before intervening. You get way more back than the owner of the device for a few more kms of intrusion.
|
[
"For the second time in my life, the USA has been mesmerized by a news story about a balloon.",
">\n\nWhich isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice, right?",
">\n\nTo be fair, the balloon boy one was weirder. A “spy balloon” feels a little more appropriate to be concerned about. But it’s 2023, who uses a balloon?",
">\n\nThat's the part that doesn't add up about all this. The Chinese have satellites. This stupid balloon couldn't have been accomplishing much, so what even was the point? ICBM sites aren't really secret.\nPeople will bring up \"testing our defenses\" or some shit, but for what? If they'd thought it was a real threat, it would've been shot down before it ever left Alaska. None of it makes any sense.",
">\n\nWell… they get to see how long it took us to notice them. Also, just because we aren’t sure what this thing can do doesn’t mean we take their word for it that it’s nothing. Their batshit response doesn’t suggest it’s nothing. I hope we recover useful bits from the downed balloon.\nEdit: I am not making conclusions about how long or not long it took us to notice. Only saying that might be a motivation for this weird Chinese balloon shenanigans.",
">\n\nJust because we didn't go public with it at first doesn't mean it wasn't tracked from the start. We literally have radars in Hawaii and the Aleutian islands that can spot targets the size of seagulls from thousands of miles away, and distinguish between that target and background noise or even active countermeasures. We absolutely noticed it days before it crossed into CONUS airspace, and the only reason the government said anything was because it was going to get noticed by the public. Source: I used to help design security measures for radar systems like the SBX in Hawaii and the TPY-2 theater air defense radars.",
">\n\nBingo. If it was not going to get seen by the public we (the public) probably wouldn't know about it. They wouldn't tell us about it unless there was some useful political reason to do so. The idea that the military only knows things when we do is ludicrous and naïve.",
">\n\nI don't think this was political at all. This was an intelligence decision. We spotted that balloon with early warning radars when it was over the Pacific, and likely started pointing ELINT and SIGINT assets at it. \nThe benefit of potentially intercepting Chinese BLOS/SATCOM waveforms, seeing what kind of encryption/spread spectrum algorithms they may be using, and using reach-back-and-attack methods to pinpoint potential satellites, ground stations or ships the balloon may be communicating with far outweighed the risks of letting it float over CONUS. \nThe chances of it being spotted by civilians with binoculars or semi-decent telescopes and creating a panic when it couldn't be explained was the risk. So, the government finally let folks know when it was over Montana. It had already crossed the Pacific, over the Aleutians (where the Pave Paws radar station is), and then down the western coast before the government went public. \nAnnouncing it in Montana was just to keep the public from freaking out. They'd already had days to use radar, satellite and aircraft imagery, and ELINT intercepts to figure out what it was and what it's potential capabilities were. \nWhy do you think the DoD said over and over that it wasn't a threat and the risk of shooting it down over CONUS was too great? The reason is not politics. They were collecting as much intel as possible before shooting it down safely to try and recover any debris that could be used to help reverse engineer Chinese comms from the Intel they've already gathered. That data is invaluable to cyber security and jam/counter-jam reverse engineering applications for the next decade."
] |
>
Not to mention, by sending the message that you think it is no threat and letting it continue on its way, you open up the possibility that it continues recording its targeted information since the possibility of recovery may exist (by the sender). Then when it reaches the ocean and you retrieve it, you can get a better idea from its data on what exactly its intentions were.
My question is why was China so obvious about it? I mean, they didn’t even color the thing blue, white in the sky serves as a mirror for the sun, making the thing stick out like a sore thumb. Why would they send something so flambuoyant? I can only speculate that they wanted the attention for some reason. Either to use this event as a pretext for some ‘response’ by them or to make a point to someone in our leadership.
|
[
"For the second time in my life, the USA has been mesmerized by a news story about a balloon.",
">\n\nWhich isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice, right?",
">\n\nTo be fair, the balloon boy one was weirder. A “spy balloon” feels a little more appropriate to be concerned about. But it’s 2023, who uses a balloon?",
">\n\nThat's the part that doesn't add up about all this. The Chinese have satellites. This stupid balloon couldn't have been accomplishing much, so what even was the point? ICBM sites aren't really secret.\nPeople will bring up \"testing our defenses\" or some shit, but for what? If they'd thought it was a real threat, it would've been shot down before it ever left Alaska. None of it makes any sense.",
">\n\nWell… they get to see how long it took us to notice them. Also, just because we aren’t sure what this thing can do doesn’t mean we take their word for it that it’s nothing. Their batshit response doesn’t suggest it’s nothing. I hope we recover useful bits from the downed balloon.\nEdit: I am not making conclusions about how long or not long it took us to notice. Only saying that might be a motivation for this weird Chinese balloon shenanigans.",
">\n\nJust because we didn't go public with it at first doesn't mean it wasn't tracked from the start. We literally have radars in Hawaii and the Aleutian islands that can spot targets the size of seagulls from thousands of miles away, and distinguish between that target and background noise or even active countermeasures. We absolutely noticed it days before it crossed into CONUS airspace, and the only reason the government said anything was because it was going to get noticed by the public. Source: I used to help design security measures for radar systems like the SBX in Hawaii and the TPY-2 theater air defense radars.",
">\n\nBingo. If it was not going to get seen by the public we (the public) probably wouldn't know about it. They wouldn't tell us about it unless there was some useful political reason to do so. The idea that the military only knows things when we do is ludicrous and naïve.",
">\n\nI don't think this was political at all. This was an intelligence decision. We spotted that balloon with early warning radars when it was over the Pacific, and likely started pointing ELINT and SIGINT assets at it. \nThe benefit of potentially intercepting Chinese BLOS/SATCOM waveforms, seeing what kind of encryption/spread spectrum algorithms they may be using, and using reach-back-and-attack methods to pinpoint potential satellites, ground stations or ships the balloon may be communicating with far outweighed the risks of letting it float over CONUS. \nThe chances of it being spotted by civilians with binoculars or semi-decent telescopes and creating a panic when it couldn't be explained was the risk. So, the government finally let folks know when it was over Montana. It had already crossed the Pacific, over the Aleutians (where the Pave Paws radar station is), and then down the western coast before the government went public. \nAnnouncing it in Montana was just to keep the public from freaking out. They'd already had days to use radar, satellite and aircraft imagery, and ELINT intercepts to figure out what it was and what it's potential capabilities were. \nWhy do you think the DoD said over and over that it wasn't a threat and the risk of shooting it down over CONUS was too great? The reason is not politics. They were collecting as much intel as possible before shooting it down safely to try and recover any debris that could be used to help reverse engineer Chinese comms from the Intel they've already gathered. That data is invaluable to cyber security and jam/counter-jam reverse engineering applications for the next decade.",
">\n\nWise words.\nPeople dont get how important it is to observe and track activity before intervening. You get way more back than the owner of the device for a few more kms of intrusion."
] |
>
Hey, we'll just send one of ours over and they can shoot it down.
|
[
"For the second time in my life, the USA has been mesmerized by a news story about a balloon.",
">\n\nWhich isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice, right?",
">\n\nTo be fair, the balloon boy one was weirder. A “spy balloon” feels a little more appropriate to be concerned about. But it’s 2023, who uses a balloon?",
">\n\nThat's the part that doesn't add up about all this. The Chinese have satellites. This stupid balloon couldn't have been accomplishing much, so what even was the point? ICBM sites aren't really secret.\nPeople will bring up \"testing our defenses\" or some shit, but for what? If they'd thought it was a real threat, it would've been shot down before it ever left Alaska. None of it makes any sense.",
">\n\nWell… they get to see how long it took us to notice them. Also, just because we aren’t sure what this thing can do doesn’t mean we take their word for it that it’s nothing. Their batshit response doesn’t suggest it’s nothing. I hope we recover useful bits from the downed balloon.\nEdit: I am not making conclusions about how long or not long it took us to notice. Only saying that might be a motivation for this weird Chinese balloon shenanigans.",
">\n\nJust because we didn't go public with it at first doesn't mean it wasn't tracked from the start. We literally have radars in Hawaii and the Aleutian islands that can spot targets the size of seagulls from thousands of miles away, and distinguish between that target and background noise or even active countermeasures. We absolutely noticed it days before it crossed into CONUS airspace, and the only reason the government said anything was because it was going to get noticed by the public. Source: I used to help design security measures for radar systems like the SBX in Hawaii and the TPY-2 theater air defense radars.",
">\n\nBingo. If it was not going to get seen by the public we (the public) probably wouldn't know about it. They wouldn't tell us about it unless there was some useful political reason to do so. The idea that the military only knows things when we do is ludicrous and naïve.",
">\n\nI don't think this was political at all. This was an intelligence decision. We spotted that balloon with early warning radars when it was over the Pacific, and likely started pointing ELINT and SIGINT assets at it. \nThe benefit of potentially intercepting Chinese BLOS/SATCOM waveforms, seeing what kind of encryption/spread spectrum algorithms they may be using, and using reach-back-and-attack methods to pinpoint potential satellites, ground stations or ships the balloon may be communicating with far outweighed the risks of letting it float over CONUS. \nThe chances of it being spotted by civilians with binoculars or semi-decent telescopes and creating a panic when it couldn't be explained was the risk. So, the government finally let folks know when it was over Montana. It had already crossed the Pacific, over the Aleutians (where the Pave Paws radar station is), and then down the western coast before the government went public. \nAnnouncing it in Montana was just to keep the public from freaking out. They'd already had days to use radar, satellite and aircraft imagery, and ELINT intercepts to figure out what it was and what it's potential capabilities were. \nWhy do you think the DoD said over and over that it wasn't a threat and the risk of shooting it down over CONUS was too great? The reason is not politics. They were collecting as much intel as possible before shooting it down safely to try and recover any debris that could be used to help reverse engineer Chinese comms from the Intel they've already gathered. That data is invaluable to cyber security and jam/counter-jam reverse engineering applications for the next decade.",
">\n\nWise words.\nPeople dont get how important it is to observe and track activity before intervening. You get way more back than the owner of the device for a few more kms of intrusion.",
">\n\nNot to mention, by sending the message that you think it is no threat and letting it continue on its way, you open up the possibility that it continues recording its targeted information since the possibility of recovery may exist (by the sender). Then when it reaches the ocean and you retrieve it, you can get a better idea from its data on what exactly its intentions were.\nMy question is why was China so obvious about it? I mean, they didn’t even color the thing blue, white in the sky serves as a mirror for the sun, making the thing stick out like a sore thumb. Why would they send something so flambuoyant? I can only speculate that they wanted the attention for some reason. Either to use this event as a pretext for some ‘response’ by them or to make a point to someone in our leadership."
] |
>
Not the Goodyear Blimp!
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[
"For the second time in my life, the USA has been mesmerized by a news story about a balloon.",
">\n\nWhich isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice, right?",
">\n\nTo be fair, the balloon boy one was weirder. A “spy balloon” feels a little more appropriate to be concerned about. But it’s 2023, who uses a balloon?",
">\n\nThat's the part that doesn't add up about all this. The Chinese have satellites. This stupid balloon couldn't have been accomplishing much, so what even was the point? ICBM sites aren't really secret.\nPeople will bring up \"testing our defenses\" or some shit, but for what? If they'd thought it was a real threat, it would've been shot down before it ever left Alaska. None of it makes any sense.",
">\n\nWell… they get to see how long it took us to notice them. Also, just because we aren’t sure what this thing can do doesn’t mean we take their word for it that it’s nothing. Their batshit response doesn’t suggest it’s nothing. I hope we recover useful bits from the downed balloon.\nEdit: I am not making conclusions about how long or not long it took us to notice. Only saying that might be a motivation for this weird Chinese balloon shenanigans.",
">\n\nJust because we didn't go public with it at first doesn't mean it wasn't tracked from the start. We literally have radars in Hawaii and the Aleutian islands that can spot targets the size of seagulls from thousands of miles away, and distinguish between that target and background noise or even active countermeasures. We absolutely noticed it days before it crossed into CONUS airspace, and the only reason the government said anything was because it was going to get noticed by the public. Source: I used to help design security measures for radar systems like the SBX in Hawaii and the TPY-2 theater air defense radars.",
">\n\nBingo. If it was not going to get seen by the public we (the public) probably wouldn't know about it. They wouldn't tell us about it unless there was some useful political reason to do so. The idea that the military only knows things when we do is ludicrous and naïve.",
">\n\nI don't think this was political at all. This was an intelligence decision. We spotted that balloon with early warning radars when it was over the Pacific, and likely started pointing ELINT and SIGINT assets at it. \nThe benefit of potentially intercepting Chinese BLOS/SATCOM waveforms, seeing what kind of encryption/spread spectrum algorithms they may be using, and using reach-back-and-attack methods to pinpoint potential satellites, ground stations or ships the balloon may be communicating with far outweighed the risks of letting it float over CONUS. \nThe chances of it being spotted by civilians with binoculars or semi-decent telescopes and creating a panic when it couldn't be explained was the risk. So, the government finally let folks know when it was over Montana. It had already crossed the Pacific, over the Aleutians (where the Pave Paws radar station is), and then down the western coast before the government went public. \nAnnouncing it in Montana was just to keep the public from freaking out. They'd already had days to use radar, satellite and aircraft imagery, and ELINT intercepts to figure out what it was and what it's potential capabilities were. \nWhy do you think the DoD said over and over that it wasn't a threat and the risk of shooting it down over CONUS was too great? The reason is not politics. They were collecting as much intel as possible before shooting it down safely to try and recover any debris that could be used to help reverse engineer Chinese comms from the Intel they've already gathered. That data is invaluable to cyber security and jam/counter-jam reverse engineering applications for the next decade.",
">\n\nWise words.\nPeople dont get how important it is to observe and track activity before intervening. You get way more back than the owner of the device for a few more kms of intrusion.",
">\n\nNot to mention, by sending the message that you think it is no threat and letting it continue on its way, you open up the possibility that it continues recording its targeted information since the possibility of recovery may exist (by the sender). Then when it reaches the ocean and you retrieve it, you can get a better idea from its data on what exactly its intentions were.\nMy question is why was China so obvious about it? I mean, they didn’t even color the thing blue, white in the sky serves as a mirror for the sun, making the thing stick out like a sore thumb. Why would they send something so flambuoyant? I can only speculate that they wanted the attention for some reason. Either to use this event as a pretext for some ‘response’ by them or to make a point to someone in our leadership.",
">\n\nHey, we'll just send one of ours over and they can shoot it down."
] |
>
Nah. It should just be a giant Winnie the Pooh. No attachments other than a card that says "Oh, Bother."
|
[
"For the second time in my life, the USA has been mesmerized by a news story about a balloon.",
">\n\nWhich isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice, right?",
">\n\nTo be fair, the balloon boy one was weirder. A “spy balloon” feels a little more appropriate to be concerned about. But it’s 2023, who uses a balloon?",
">\n\nThat's the part that doesn't add up about all this. The Chinese have satellites. This stupid balloon couldn't have been accomplishing much, so what even was the point? ICBM sites aren't really secret.\nPeople will bring up \"testing our defenses\" or some shit, but for what? If they'd thought it was a real threat, it would've been shot down before it ever left Alaska. None of it makes any sense.",
">\n\nWell… they get to see how long it took us to notice them. Also, just because we aren’t sure what this thing can do doesn’t mean we take their word for it that it’s nothing. Their batshit response doesn’t suggest it’s nothing. I hope we recover useful bits from the downed balloon.\nEdit: I am not making conclusions about how long or not long it took us to notice. Only saying that might be a motivation for this weird Chinese balloon shenanigans.",
">\n\nJust because we didn't go public with it at first doesn't mean it wasn't tracked from the start. We literally have radars in Hawaii and the Aleutian islands that can spot targets the size of seagulls from thousands of miles away, and distinguish between that target and background noise or even active countermeasures. We absolutely noticed it days before it crossed into CONUS airspace, and the only reason the government said anything was because it was going to get noticed by the public. Source: I used to help design security measures for radar systems like the SBX in Hawaii and the TPY-2 theater air defense radars.",
">\n\nBingo. If it was not going to get seen by the public we (the public) probably wouldn't know about it. They wouldn't tell us about it unless there was some useful political reason to do so. The idea that the military only knows things when we do is ludicrous and naïve.",
">\n\nI don't think this was political at all. This was an intelligence decision. We spotted that balloon with early warning radars when it was over the Pacific, and likely started pointing ELINT and SIGINT assets at it. \nThe benefit of potentially intercepting Chinese BLOS/SATCOM waveforms, seeing what kind of encryption/spread spectrum algorithms they may be using, and using reach-back-and-attack methods to pinpoint potential satellites, ground stations or ships the balloon may be communicating with far outweighed the risks of letting it float over CONUS. \nThe chances of it being spotted by civilians with binoculars or semi-decent telescopes and creating a panic when it couldn't be explained was the risk. So, the government finally let folks know when it was over Montana. It had already crossed the Pacific, over the Aleutians (where the Pave Paws radar station is), and then down the western coast before the government went public. \nAnnouncing it in Montana was just to keep the public from freaking out. They'd already had days to use radar, satellite and aircraft imagery, and ELINT intercepts to figure out what it was and what it's potential capabilities were. \nWhy do you think the DoD said over and over that it wasn't a threat and the risk of shooting it down over CONUS was too great? The reason is not politics. They were collecting as much intel as possible before shooting it down safely to try and recover any debris that could be used to help reverse engineer Chinese comms from the Intel they've already gathered. That data is invaluable to cyber security and jam/counter-jam reverse engineering applications for the next decade.",
">\n\nWise words.\nPeople dont get how important it is to observe and track activity before intervening. You get way more back than the owner of the device for a few more kms of intrusion.",
">\n\nNot to mention, by sending the message that you think it is no threat and letting it continue on its way, you open up the possibility that it continues recording its targeted information since the possibility of recovery may exist (by the sender). Then when it reaches the ocean and you retrieve it, you can get a better idea from its data on what exactly its intentions were.\nMy question is why was China so obvious about it? I mean, they didn’t even color the thing blue, white in the sky serves as a mirror for the sun, making the thing stick out like a sore thumb. Why would they send something so flambuoyant? I can only speculate that they wanted the attention for some reason. Either to use this event as a pretext for some ‘response’ by them or to make a point to someone in our leadership.",
">\n\nHey, we'll just send one of ours over and they can shoot it down.",
">\n\nNot the Goodyear Blimp!"
] |
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